SHOT show 2026. New scopes ?

[Formidilosus]

This seems like a situation where taping the turret for distance markings might make it a much more useful setup, than trying to convert mils to MOA clicks...

The turrets on the Accupoint 3-9 and 2.5-10 are about as low profile as an actual turret can get. You're not taping much of anything to them.

Kenton makes BDC turrets for them, and yes- those are the way to go if someone is utterly convinced to dial with those scopes.

 

[Chris in TN]

Was that with the MOAR reticle?

Yes.

I mean, it works, I just hate relying on a battery. And you’re not shooting at dusk without the illumination.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Kenton makes BDC turrets for them, and yes- those are the way to go if someone is utterly convinced to dial with those scopes.

I never thought about doing that! Thanks, Form.

 

[slowelk]

Well- what do you want?

If I want a 3-18/4-24/something similar that weighs less than 27.5oz, mil-c reticle or something with 5 or less mils of wind, will I be pleased?

Edit to add objective size of 44

 

[z987k]

Kenton makes BDC turrets for them, and yes- those are the way to go if someone is utterly convinced to dial with those scopes.

I contacted them a bit back about those for the accupoint. Its still the same size turret and it still would very very easily come up carrying it and lose zero.

 

[mthayr]

With about 2 mils worth of elevation.


(sarcasm)

No sarcasm intended (truly), but with a 6mm CM wouldn't 12 Mils of dial, with 34 Mils overall travel, provide enough elevation up to terminal range (and beyond)? That's what the LP 1FP META provides, doesn't it?

 

[Formidilosus]

No sarcasm intended (truly), but with a 6mm CM wouldn't 12 Mils of dial, with 34 Mils overall travel, provide enough elevation up to terminal range (and beyond)? That's what the LP 1FP META provides, doesn't it?

The Meta yes. However, pretty sure he was referencing the 3-12x Klassik.

 

[mthayr]

The Meta yes. However, pretty sure he was referencing the 3-12x Klassik.

Whew... glad that wasn't $3500 wasted - maybe once I get it all mounted I'll be brave enough to try the drop test.

 

[Formidilosus]

I contacted them a bit back about those for the accupoint. Its still the same size turret and it still would very very easily come up carrying it and lose zero.

It does that. The turrets really aren’t made to dial. However, I cut the face off of one cap so the turret could be spun without taking the cap off, and wouldn’t let it come unlocked and spun. Then someone told me about cutting a opening in the front and back to do the same but make it very easy to adjust the turret (I can’t remember who, so if it was you say something).

 

[Balderdash]

Isn’t the RokScope supposed to make an appearance at Shot Show?

Already?

 

[betelgeuse]

I wrote to Maven and told them I have the RS1.2 but would definitely buy some of their MOA only models if they offered them in mils. They replied politely stating they don’t believe there is enough demand for mils except in a few select models.

Oh well.

All I need is a simple, light scope, 2-10x in mil/mil with a very simple reticle with a few hash marks.

Trijicon Credo 2-10x36 FFP w/ Red MRAD Precision Tree, 30mm, Matte Black Riflescope​

 

[JimIsland]

Can you dial with the Accupoint?


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Looks like you got better answers than I can give you as far as dialing. I do have a Kenton custom turret on one of my accupoints and it's afforded me to be proficient as far out as I need for my hunting style. I don't dial per se and definitely don't shoot at an animal beyond 500 yards. I'm a hunter....no bench shooting for me, but I would like to at some point.

 

[Honzi]

I've never so much as laid eyes on a S&B riflescope, but looking at their specs it appears that the Polars have at least 100cm/100m of elevation. I'm assuming that's in both directions so you can't count on more than 50cm up and if you need to use 10cm of that for initial zero you're left with about 40cm or 4mrad.

I have a S&B Polar 2.5-10 with ccw lockable turrets and have -0.2 - 9.8mils of useable travel.

 

[Balderdash]

I have a S&B Polar 2.5-10 with ccw lockable turrets and have -0.2 - 9.8mils of useable travel.

Use a pitched rail and Burris XTR Signature rings to bottom out the erector so that you get all the elevation the scope has to offer.

The S&B 3-12 Klassik are fantastic scopes for all around hunting. On flat shooting calibers they have plenty of elevation travel.

 

[Honzi]

Use a pitched rail and Burris XTR Signature rings to bottom out the erector so that you get all the elevation the scope has to offer.

The S&B 3-12 Klassik are fantastic scopes for all around hunting. On flat shooting calibers they have plenty of elevation travel.

10.0 mils travel is on the exposed turrets, internal travel is much more on Polar scope. So no need for to use pitched rail and Burris rings. The Klassic exposed turrets have less travel, 4.8mils and on the 4-16x50 1.6 mils, but again more internal travel than that.

 

[Balderdash]

10.0 mils travel is on the exposed turrets, internal travel is much more on Polar scope. So no need for to use pitched rail and Burris rings. The Klassic exposed turrets have less travel, 4.8mils and on the 4-16x50 1.6 mils, but again more internal travel than that.

Yep, but it was stated earlier that guys were concerned about using up too much elevation travel in getting the rig zeroed. If that is the case, then one can add inclination to increase the available travel.

 

[762 ULTRAMAGA]

I wish scope makers would stop chasing bigger erector tubes or even larger FOV and just make a scope that holds zero and the reticle isn't stupid and it doesn't weigh two pounds and it dials reliably.

Don't we already have a bunch of simple hunting scopes like this?
The wide angle lens technology that March and Kahles are using is a game changer in my opinion. If it weren't I'd still be running hunting scopes with a paper towel tube FOV...

 

[Chris in TN]

Don't we already have a bunch of simple hunting scopes like this?

Not that I'm aware of.

Show me a scope with even a simple duplex reticle - but, really, any reticle that's usable at last light without batteries - that dials reliably and passes the drop tests.

There are some that are closer than others but really nothing that is close enough to make me want it.

 

[762 ULTRAMAGA]

Not that I'm aware of.

Show me a scope with even a simple duplex reticle - but, really, any reticle that's usable at last light without batteries - that dials reliably and passes the drop tests.

There are some that are closer than others but really nothing that is close enough to make me want it.

Trijicon Credo and Tenmile
LRHS2
NF has the NXS and SHV low power scopes
SWFA
I've hunted with most of these scopes and the reticle wasn't what let me down at last light it was the crappy glass..

 

[Chris in TN]

Trijicon Credo and Tenmile
LRHS2
NF has the NXS and SHV low power scopes
SWFA
I've hunted with most of these scopes and the reticle wasn't what let me down at last light it was the crappy glass..

The Trijicon reticles are absolutely terrible. They're like looking at an excel spreadsheet. Too much clutter, not enough visibility at low light. I've never looked at the LRHS2 (I have an elite 6500 that's been great, fwiw). The NF SHV with the forceplex reticle would be an option if you could get it in the 4-14 version.

The SWFA reticles are as bad as Trijicon.
What I really want is tapered windage crosshairs, so they're visible FFP low power, then they have a center section that's thin and about 12moa wide - with 2moa hashmarks. That gives me 6moa of windage either way, but the thick parts make the reticle useful in very low light, like the old German heavy reticles would have been.

A mini christmas tree of perhaps 10moa in 2moa intervals, would be nice, for fast, quick and dirty type holdovers, but isn't absolutely needed. Basically, I'm wanting a variation of the old Leupold 'heavy duplex' but FFP and with 2-moa (or half-mil) windage hashmarks. And tapered sides.

This is roughly what I want. I spent 5 minutes drawing it in MSPaint. I could probably refine it a hair, but make the little divisions in the reticle 2moa apart, and the lines 2moa from top to bottom. Make the first lower hash 2 moa wide, the second 4 moa wide, the third 6 moa wide. I honestly don't terribly care if there's another lower hashmark. Heck, 6moa is fine. That'll get me to ~425-475 yards with most of my rifles and beyond that I'll be dialing anyway.

Again, this is crude, but it's what I have in mind. It would need to be thick enough to be visible in low light at lower powers for a FFP scope.

(Incidentally, FFP reticles are easier to make visible on lower powers, without being too big at high power, if the scope has a 3x or 4x erector, than if you have a 6x-8x+ erector. Another reason a 4x mag range is plenty)




Edit: and I could do ok with less. I really just want the windage hashmarks and the tapered sides so that FFP is useable in low light without batteries.