Shoot2Hunt University

[Nine Banger]

I'm in class 3 too and I'm going to try to link up with Nine Banger at Bozeman and at least share a car on the way from the airport. The more the merrier in my book.

I'll be at BZN at 1PM on 6/1. I'll get a car if anyone else wants to get there around this time.

 

[North River]

For flying, hint:

Alaska Air

50lbs. That’s right. 50lbs of ammo allowed in checked baggage. On most domestic flight.

 

[philcox]

I am in the June 9-13 as well (also my son or an alternate if he can’t make it). I know it is a long way off, but for logistics and planning purposes have a few questions:

1. Trying to determine if better to “rent” or buy a 2nd 223 for my son (he has 30-06 and 300WM). If I want to rent a rifle setup, do I need to “reserve” one? I have a Tikka 223, Rokstock should be here by then (ordered last May), and have a Banish 30 can that I can use on it.

2. If I rent a rifle, do I need to plan to buy ammo there, or would it likely work for me to bring my hand loads? 1.86 MOA 20 shot group out of the Tikka

3. I only have 1 Rokstock, my hunting rifle is my 6.5 CM. I plan on swapping the stock with my 223. Any reason that won’t work?


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[mt terry d]

IMO you're going to end up buying one anyway.
They're not going to get any cheaper in the future.
Then you can sell the 300 and use that $$ to buy a
year's worth of components.

 

[philcox]

I guess real question is do that buy the 223 or the 6.5CM … I wonder if anybody has shot the whole course with a 6.5 Creedmoor?


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[Bluumoon]

I guess real question is do that buy the 223 or the 6.5CM … I wonder if anybody has shot the whole course with a 6.5 Creedmoor?


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.223 if you don't have one, it allows you to focus on the individual mechanics of learning the process and decreases a confounding factor. Plus, pretty much can't wear the barrel out.

 

[flyinsquirel]

I guess real question is do that buy the 223 or the 6.5CM … I wonder if anybody has shot the whole course with a 6.5 Creedmoor?


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At least 3 people this summer shot 6.5 Creed for the entire course.

 

[Formidilosus]

I guess real question is do that buy the 223 or the 6.5CM … I wonder if anybody has shot the whole course with a 6.5 Creedmoor?

223 without question. Yes, people have shot it with 6.5cm, 6cm, 308, etc. 223 is the way.

 

[philcox]

223 without question. Yes, people have shot it with 6.5cm, 6cm, 308, etc. 223 is the way.

Just pulled the 223 trigger. I also justified it in that "one of my 5 grand kids will likely want/need it not too far down the road as well, and I will only have 2 for them." ... with that rationale, should have bought 4 ...

 

[Gstew1930]

I'll be at BZN at 1PM on 6/1. I'll get a car if anyone else wants to get there around this time.

I’ll shoot you a PM

 

[philcox]

More questions (just the way my mind works): For ammo ...

• Is "bulk" ammo good enough for the class? I have at least a few thousand of these https://lakeshoreammunition.com/products/223-55-grain-fmj-bt
• If "bulk" is not really ideal, then is a "factory" ammo like the Winchester 55 FMJ a better option?
• If neither of those, then say the Fiocchi Field Dynamics 50g VMAX ok?
• OR should I buy the components and just run the handloads I know work (Berry, CFE223, Starline, CCI400)

Insight from those who teach or have taken the class is appreciated.

 

[NSI]

More questions (just the way my mind works): For ammo ...

• Is "bulk" ammo good enough for the class? I have at least a few thousand of these https://lakeshoreammunition.com/products/223-55-grain-fmj-bt
• If "bulk" is not really ideal, then is a "factory" ammo like the Winchester 55 FMJ a better option?
• If neither of those, then say the Fiocchi Field Dynamics 50g VMAX ok?
• OR should I buy the components and just run the handloads I know work (Berry, CFE223, Starline, CCI400)

Insight from those who teach or have taken the class is appreciated.

1) 30% of the rounds will be spent during low precision positional applications like seated unsupported, where bulk ammo is appropriate (assuming the zero isn't wildly different).
2) 70% of the rounds will be spent prone, supported, or at distance where BC and group size matters. I find 77 AAC OTM to be the right balance of precision and cost at .55/round. ADI shoots tighter but isn't necessary to glean learnings at 40% more expense.

Plan on 1k rounds.

-J