Senate vote public lands sale

[Jason Snyder]

Newest amendments are disposal of 2 million acres. Here is a link to contact your senators and tell them you value public lands.

U.S. Senate: Contacting U.S. Senators

www.senate.gov

The Senate Is Considering Selling Public Land. It Could Be About 2 Million Acres

The Senate is working towards a proposal to sell what's potentially a 2-million acre fire-sale of federal public land.

www.outdoorlife.com

 

[LostArra]

Teddy Roosevelt is on Mount Rushmore in large part due to his work in conservation and establishing public lands that make the US unique and which benefits all American citizens. It's a shame President Roosevelt isn't around to debate this nonsense with the clowns proposing it.

I admire Rep Zinke for his comments on the issue. His mention of San Juan Hill probably went over the heads of his colleagues.

(I contacted both of my senators)

 

[Pony Soldier]

I look at this as: the devil is in the details. What land, where and to who. The concept isn't generally appealing but if it is piece of federal land in or adjacent to a town, left over land from an abandoned military base or something of that nature might be worth considering. Managed by the state on contract possibly. Given to a state ? No way! They are worse than the feds for stupid decisions.

 

[Jason Snyder]

• 2-3 Million acres to be sold for "affordable housing."
• Will include a lot of USFS lands, not just Dept of Interior lands as in the House amendment and FLTFA.
• Proceeds used to offset budget gaps, not replacement lands as per FLTFA.
• Lee's language has Montana exempted from any land sales in hopes he can gain the votes of Daines & Sheehy, votes needed to move it forward.

 

[CJ19]

People should contact reps and put a nail in this again.

Teddy Roosevelt is on Mount Rushmore in large part due to his work in conservation and establishing public lands that make the US unique and which benefits all American citizens. It's a shame President Roosevelt isn't around to debate this nonsense with the clowns proposing it.

I admire Rep Zinke for his comments on the issue. His mention of San Juan Hill probably went over the heads of his colleagues.

(I contacted both of my senators)

I am glad Zinke has been a resource so far ad I am glad groups like BHA have stated as such on their public media.

As far as Roosevelt goes, the American liberal cancelled Roosevelt already and none of these political lobbyist conservation groups or institutions said a peep about it. If fact, many of them supported it. The removal of the Roosevelt statue in NYC was a giant slap in the face of his legacy and conservation. It was one of the most visible memorials to him and his accomplishments. All these so called groups that want to invoke his name should be ashamed they did not have his back when all the race baiters, grifters, and flavor of the month politicians were smearing him and crapping on his legacy. What a disgraceful way this legacy was handled by those that supposedly should have known better. Public land hunters should never forget their betrayal of an American icon.

 

[CJ19]

• Lee's language has Montana exempted from any land sales in hopes he can gain the votes of Daines & Sheehy, votes needed to move it forward.

what a sneaky maneuver. that is such a slimy politician move.

 

[mt terry d]

Teddy Roosevelt

Was a big government statist.
I would love to share a campfire with him nonetheless.

Some federal lands absolutely should be sold but as already stated “the devil is in the details”.

As with anything that comes out of congress it’s guaranteed to smell strongly of sulfur.

 

[LostArra]

Was a big government statist.
I would love to share a campfire with him nonetheless.

This campfire, on public land or private?

I got a reply from one of our senators and it was as expected. Not good.

 

[Johnson27]

Contacted both of my senators.
Not sure if it will help, but we have to try.

 

[RockAndSage]

I can't speak to the exact details of the bill, but it is pretty important and valid to note that there is more going on than just preserving hunting lands. Over 80% of Nevada is "owned" and controlled by the federal government, mostly BLM. Where this becomes a real and damaging problem is when Reno, Las Vegas, and a couple of other growing areas literally hit the edge of federal land and can't grow further. They are completely surrounded, like an island.

So housing gets vastly more expensive, and it becomes far more difficult for families.

Two identical houses in Texas and Nevada, in equally prosperous neighborhoods, could have a half-million dollar gap between their two prices. That's a reality. I don't want to be seeing chunks of wilderness sold to developers, but there's a lot of crap scrubland around Vegas and Reno that barely sustain jackrabbits. I'm 100% in favor of selling off limited runs of lands that border those cities once a decade or so, because to not do so really harms the quality of life of people living here.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Freaking Mike Lee needs to go back to gopher hole that his snakey ass crawled out of, that guy is such an epic POS, I think I would almost take a democrat over him, he is awful.

 

[CJ19]

Freaking Mike Lee needs to go back to gopher hole that his snakey ass crawled out of, that guy is such an epic POS, I think I would almost take a democrat over him, he is awful.

The opposing party has given Mike Lee slow fast ball after slow fast ball over the center of the plate for a few years now. His social media shows just how easy it is for him to dunk on the opposition on virtually every other issue other than PLT. Immigration is a perfect example. All he has to do is not talk about PLT then because the majority of people in places other than a few western states barely even know western public land exists much less the difference between BLM, national forest, and the intricacies of selling. So as much as people here like to rag on him, his social media gets way more positive engagement than any conservation or hunting influencer talking about PLT. Those are the facts whether people here want to acknowledge them or not. And thats not me endorsing him.

 

[txjustin]

Freaking Mike Lee needs to go back to gopher hole that his snakey ass crawled out of, that guy is such an epic POS, I think I would almost take a democrat over him, he is awful.

Literally one of the few actual conservatives in congress.


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[Hnthrdr]

Literally one of the few actual conservatives in congress.


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Nope, old Mit Lee is a snake oil salesman. He is not a real conservative, he would flood Utah is HB-1’s and laugh all the way to the bank as he and his developer cronies paved every inch of wintering ground or or every beautiful basin for personal enrichment sold off to foreigners who could care less about what happens to it. How is it conservative to want to steal our birthright for NOTHING so he can enrich himself. He is a low life POS nothing more.

 

[Ucsdryder]

I look at this as: the devil is in the details. What land, where and to who. The concept isn't generally appealing but if it is piece of federal land in or adjacent to a town, left over land from an abandoned military base or something of that nature might be worth considering. Managed by the state on contract possibly. Given to a state ? No way! They are worse than the feds for stupid decisions.

No details, just devil. Oppose all public land sales. If they want to do a land swap that we can guarantee is “fair”, good luck, then I’m for it. We aren’t getting anymore public land, just more people.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Nope, old Mit Lee is a snake oil salesman. He is not a real conservative, he would flood Utah is HB-1’s and laugh all the way to the bank as he and his developer cronies paved every inch of wintering ground or or every beautiful basin for personal enrichment sold off to foreigners who could care less about what happens to it. How is it conservative to want to steal our birthright for NOTHING so he can enrich himself. He is a low life POS nothing more.

Wait, you mean all the politicians, on both sides are in it for their own self serving interests? Anybody that thinks the conservatives are any better than the liberals needs to get their head out of their ass.

 

[Ucsdryder]

I’m sick and tired of all these scumbag politicians and the dipshits that idolize them. If the republicans get their way we won’t have any land to hunt. If the liberals get their way, we won’t have any guns to hunt with. Either way, nobody has our best interest in mind. The fact these guys actually think sellling public lands is a good idea is baffling, oh and let’s be extra effing smart and sell to the highest bidder, (china).

Thanks @Hnthrdr, you got me all worked up.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Wait, you mean all the politicians, on both sides are in it for their own self serving interests? Anybody that thinks the conservatives are any better than the liberals needs to get their head out of their ass.

Give me a Roosevelt like TR to fawn over, please. I’m sick of both sides. I hate the public land salesmen as much as I hate the make it all solar panels people both sides suck. I appreciate the Montana senators and honestly CO’s senators on this subject, mostly they are awful

 

[WoodDuck]

I can't speak to the exact details of the bill, but it is pretty important and valid to note that there is more going on than just preserving hunting lands. Over 80% of Nevada is "owned" and controlled by the federal government, mostly BLM. Where this becomes a real and damaging problem is when Reno, Las Vegas, and a couple of other growing areas literally hit the edge of federal land and can't grow further. They are completely surrounded, like an island.

So housing gets vastly more expensive, and it becomes far more difficult for families.

Two identical houses in Texas and Nevada, in equally prosperous neighborhoods, could have a half-million dollar gap between their two prices. That's a reality. I don't want to be seeing chunks of wilderness sold to developers, but there's a lot of crap scrubland around Vegas and Reno that barely sustain jackrabbits. I'm 100% in favor of selling off limited runs of lands that border those cities once a decade or so, because to not do so really harms the quality of life of people living here.

The Federal Land Transfer Facilitation Act already allows for the transfer and sale of public lands, with proceeds designated for improving habitat or public access.

The current version of the budget reconciliation bill has the funds being used to offset budget deficits, not conservation or public land recreation. It is clear that politicians don’t actually care about deficits, or they wouldn’t continue to pass budget bills that raise the debt ceiling. This is a land grab for special interest groups under the guise of affordable housing and sets a dangerous precedent.

 

[RockAndSage]

The current version of the budget reconciliation bill has the funds being used to offset budget deficits, not conservation or public land recreation.

Good point, and not acceptable at all. If we allow them to sell lands for a budget deficit, it won't be long before we have no public lands, and another big deficit.