Scope leveling

[hereinaz]

Only on Rokslide will there be argument about how to mount a scope. Holy ballz

Not just Rokslide, its everywhere...

 

[BBob]

This argument gets repeated, but the math remains the same. Scope must be level to gravity!

How many times now has Rokslide had this discussion??? Didn't we just do this a month or so ago? How many times before that?

 

[hereinaz]

How many times now has Rokslide had this discussion??? Didn't we just do this a month or so ago? How many times before that?

Same thing for YEARS, another post dipped into the ocean catches different fish.

I've seen this argument repeated in many different forum. Its one of the "common wisdom" that is wrong. Those with OCD tend to repeat it based on my experience, lol.

 

[JF_Idaho]

It's more a problem with people not able to differentiate "it doesn't matter" vs "it doesn't matter enough to worry about".

It took me a minute to understand that this is a hunting forum. A .1 moa difference may matter when you're shooting 1000 yard benchrest, but near zero significance in the context of this forum.

 

[wind gypsy]

It's more a problem with people not able to differentiate "it doesn't matter" vs "it doesn't matter enough to worry about".

It took me a minute to understand that this is a hunting forum. A .1 moa difference may matter when you're shooting 1000 yard benchrest, but near zero significance in the context of this forum.

I'm not even convinced it'd be much of an issue in 1000 yard benchrest if it's a constant 0.1 MOA. Not unlikely true zero would have that much offset anyway.

 

[hereinaz]

It's more a problem with people not able to differentiate "it doesn't matter" vs "it doesn't matter enough to worry about".

It took me a minute to understand that this is a hunting forum. A .1 moa difference may matter when you're shooting 1000 yard benchrest, but near zero significance in the context of this forum.

Except, as I understand, you get unlimited sighters for bench rest, so that .1 gets cooked into the adjustments...

But, you are correct, this is a hunting forum and it doesn't matter as a practical matter.

 

[hereinaz]

I'm not even convinced it'd be much of an issue in 1000 yard benchrest if it's a constant 0.1 MOA. Odds are high true zero will have that much offset anyway.

I listened to a podcast with Chris Way and Eric Cortina where Chris was going on about how benchrest guys are "wind masters". But, the way Eric described it, he shot sighters to a specific wind condition and fired bullets only when the wind met that condition.

For instance, Eric said that he would pick a flag, and fire his sighters based on the flag, then when adjusted he would then fire for score when the flag was at the perfect position. For instance, the tip of the flag would touch a certain object, and that was the key.

The .1 moa would get cooked into it.

 

[JF_Idaho]

Damnit, you guys suck!

I said "may"

 

[sasquatch]

The physics of this matter when you trying to land rockets on the moon

For all regular Joe purposes, it don’t

The bore is round, hold the reticle plumb with gravity and you’ll be so close to aligned, you, your gun, and your ammo (reg Joe) won’t ever be accurate enough to be able to measure it

Unless you mount it WAYY OFF

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[Fasteddie01]

I haven't been on this forum for a long time, but feel this is a lot of hot-gas and unnecessarily complicated. The topic was "Scope Levelling" - NOT ballistics as this has deteriorated to. I've always just mounted the rifle in a vise on my workbench, using a 6-inch level I make the rifle level at the receiver/rail. Then attach the rings and scope and level the scope via the Elevation turret. Have to be careful as tightening the rings onto the scope can affect the level of the scope. NO Need for a 'plumb-verticle' check as long as the Bubble-level has been kept correct. And Before I mount the scope I always 're-Center' the reticle manually with a mirror - even if the scope is New. You don't want to trust some 'ass embler' you'll never see/know. This has worked for me for many years, tho I'm only 74. Never bothered with "Levelling Tools" in all that time.

 

[ljalberta]

Yes, lets all pass around BS we agree on because we have not technical knowledge.

Didn’t you leave a review in the Rokstok thread without ever ever touching one? Pot, meet kettle.

 

[BBob]

Didn’t you leave a review in the Rokstok thread without ever ever touching one? Pot, meet kettle.

Heck, the man says this is way more exciting than a Rokstok. Sling that baby up and go to town!

 

[RobertReed711]

Wheeler kit that has 2 levels for me. I level off the rail or top of receiver and then mount the other level on the end of the barrel. Level the 3 with each other, then remove the one on the rail/ receiver and use it on top of the top elevation turret. Get the barrel level and the turret level to match and you are golden. I usually have a plumb bob mounted at the end of the hall as well just to confirm.

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This is what I use as well.

 

[Caseknife]

Just remounted 4 scopes this afternoon after the barrels were cut and threaded. Used the EXD tool that I posted on #6 of this thread. Eyeball the ring gap and torque the rings evenly. Took a lot less time than reading this repetitious thread. Even if it is a degree or two off, won't make a hill of beans different for the majority of our shots. Don't understand why guys get their panties in a wad so easily.

 

[sndmn11]

I'm not even convinced it'd be much of an issue in 1000 yard benchrest if it's a constant 0.1 MOA. Not unlikely true zero would have that much offset anyway.

I didn't read through this and the other thread. Are the charts the same for a rail that has inclination like a 20moa rail?

 

[wind gypsy]

I didn't read through this and the other thread. Are the charts the same for a rail that has inclination like a 20moa rail?

Yes.

 

[Stud Duck]

Don't understand why guys get their panties in a wad so easily.

You'd get off easier calling a guy's mother or sister a whore rather than start a scope leveling or "what's the best AR lube" thread!

 

[Justin Crossley]

Level your scope or don't. It doesn't matter to me, and it shouldn't matter to anyone else, either.

That said, this is my process, and it doesn't require expensive tools.

I use a simple bubble level and a tool for torquing.

1. Hold rifle level in both directions. A gun vise is easiest, but sandbags work. I place a level on top of the action to verify.
2. Mount scope rings to the top of the action or rail and torque to spec.
3. Install a level on the scope and tighten just enough to hold it in place.
4. Place the scope in rings and tighten just enough to hold it so you can still move it.
5. Put a level on top of the turret and carefully tighten the ring cap screws evenly so your gaps are the same on both sides.
6. Torque ring caps to spec.
7. Adjust the scope level so that it matches the level on top of the turret and torque it to spec.

Go shoot