Scope adjustment lag

[ridensnow23]

Make sure your turrets are tight. Resetting your zero and not having them tight enough will do that.

 

[Macintosh]

I have been tempted to do that. But it was my grandfather's and I am reluctant. But I do think about gentle sand and coat of poly.

I have gotten this rifle to 1". Though never shot a deer over 45 yards with it.

Most site in to 20-30 yards around here

Also 2 shots deer hunting is plenty.

Then get it close and go hunting, at that range you can throw the rifle at a deer and hit it. Or have someone who knows what they’re doing fix the stock and do grandpa proud with it.

Most people also shoot one or two shots a year and if they can hit the milk jug they call it good. It doesn’t mean that’s the right way to do it. It works, but you’re posting on a website with a bunch of people who are freakish about hunting and getting things right. If you want to do it well enough to keep doing what you’re doing, then keep doing what you’re doing. 100 yards shows variation between shots better and it will still keep you plenty close so at 30 or 50 yards you are still zeroed. The fact that you only ever shoot one or two shots hunting is irrelevant, you’re not hunting youre zeroing the rifle. You need to shoot enough shots to get the average point of impact, no single one of those impacts actually matters, you only care about the average. Two shots is not enough to represent the average. Does not matter at 35 yards, starts to matter at the distances you were talking about for your trip.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

I have been tempted to do that. But it was my grandfather's and I am reluctant. But I do think about gentle sand and coat of poly.

I have gotten this rifle to 1". Though never shot a deer over 45 yards with it.

Most site in to 20-30 yards around here

Also 2 shots deer hunting is plenty.

If you want to preserve the heritage you can always pull that stock and put it aside for safe keeping and put an aftermarket hunting stock on that rifle. The wood stocks can also swell with moisture so it's not just a hot barrel that can affect your shot.

 

[Zerk]

Then get it close and go hunting, at that range you can throw the rifle at a deer and hit it. Or have someone who knows what they’re doing fix the stock and do grandpa proud with it. Plus worked up load to get it 1 MOA, which I doubt he cared about.

I have shot 3 bucks at my camp with this rifle. I am not worried about making my grandfather proud.

starts to matter at the distances you were talking about for your trip.

This rifle is not going on the trip. I would not risk something physically happening to it, or some ahole DNR siezing it for stupid rule infraction.

Now what back up rifle is coming, is even bigger shit show than this.

Was going to bring 760 30-06. Love hate relationship with it. Definitely heat sensitve. While shooting 25 rounds I had 2 split cases. Only fired once before. Brass super hot. Not sure if that is function of pump, I can't remember. Bolt shot brass stone cold.

Than their is Savage 116 3006, which I have thought about selling. Had 3 fail to fires, and put it away. Measured firing pin, measured ok. Problem with this rifle vertically stringing 1.5-2". I have filmed myself shooting this. It does rise. Light rifle.

I have thought about getting a tikka for the trip. But running out of time to work up loads. Hate the stocks. But people say they shoot good. Also not sure if I want another cheap gun. Not sure I got money to spend on premium right now. Also not sure about 1:11 for 180 grain bullets, which I have a lot of.

 

[sbaker0029]

1 and half" adjust after first two. Which grouped. Clean barrel.

I think just me. Keep shooting for group.

Just to clarify and summarize.

The target you most recently posted is a 5 shot group shooting your Christensen Arms Mesa 300win mag with the trijicon credo mounted in leupold low rings to the factory pic rail. Everything wiped down to get oils off then reinstalled with correct or over torque specs.

Also you need to stop adjusting after like two shots. Fire 10 shot groups. If it makes you feel good let the barrel cool for 2 mins in between shoots.

 

[Marshfly]

Can we sticky this as a how not to sight in a rifle thread please?


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[Steve300xcw]

Pull that friggin 1970's stock that's touching the barrel, wrap a piece of 150 grit around a socket that fits the barrel channel, and commence rubbing. Keep doing it until you can easily slide a business card all the way back to the action with the action installed. Wipe down the inside of the freshly sanded barrel channel with some exterior polyurethane varnish and let dry 24 hours. Add a second coat and let dry another 24 hours. Now reinstall action, torque to whatever torque setting you use, and get a real zero.

This is a '70s' wood stock?

 

[Zerk]

Just to clarify and summarize.

The target you most recently posted is a 5 shot group shooting your Christensen Arms Mesa 300win mag with the trijicon credo mounted in leupold low rings to the factory pic rail. Everything wiped down to get oils off then reinstalled with correct or over torque specs.

Also you need to stop adjusting after like two shots. Fire 10 shot groups. If it makes you feel good let the barrel cool for 2 mins in between shoots.

It is the mesa in 300 win mag, 3x9 credo, medium rings. Leupold rail Tq wrenched

I know what you mean about adjusting, I done now. But the first two were next two other.

 

[Zerk]

This is a '70s' wood stock?

I own more than one gun.

 

[Marshfly]

It is the mesa in 300 win mag, 3x9 credo, medium rings. Leupold rail Tq wrenched

I know what you mean about adjusting, I done now. But the first two were next two other.

That doesn’t matter. I have seen the first two touch and by the end of the 10 shot group that group was over 3”. So not only did the ammo not group well but the center of the group was an inch and a half from those first two shots.


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[Steve300xcw]

How many guns are you failing to sight in right now?

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Minimum 3, possibly 4.

 

[Zerk]

That doesn’t matter. I have seen the first two touch and by the end of the 10 shot group that group was over 3”. So not only did the ammo not group well but the center of the group was an inch and a half from those first two shots.


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Maybe you should slow down and let the barrel cool

 

[Marshfly]

Maybe you should slow down and let the barrel cool

The same exact rifle shoots another ammo at 0.7 inches with a 10 shot group one right after another. You are severely misinformed to say the least.


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[Marshfly]

A two shot group is so inadequate as to be meaningless.


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[Zerk]

A two shot group is so inadequate as to be meaningless.


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Not like I am making my final adjustments. The other scope probably has 50 rounds or so through the last adjustment. Just doing an initial sight in.

Last two days, first two shots next two other, so I adjusted. I do agree not enough to know.

I suppose yesterday I could have done 10 shots 14" from target.

 

[Marshfly]

Not like I am making my final adjustments. The other scope probably has 50 rounds or so through the last adjustment. Just doing an initial sight in.

Last two days, first two shots next two other, so I adjusted. I do agree not enough to know.

I suppose yesterday I could have done 10 shots 14" from target.

Sighting in a rifle should take a box of ammo and twenty minutes. That’s it. You are wasting time and money.

Here the deal.
Pull the bolt. Look down the barrel and center the bore on a target 25 yards away. Don’t move the gun. Center the cross hairs of the scope on the target with the turrets. Forget the laser. Use the bore of the rifle.

Fire one shot.
Using the turrets, move the center of the reticle to that bullet hole. Again don’t move the gun.

Aim at the bullseye and fire another bullet. It should be dead center. If not adjust one more time.

Now move to 100yards. Fire a round. It should be within a few inches of center. If not, something is totally wrong with your setup.

Keep shooting until you shoot 10. Now you have not only your group size and the center. If you want to take five days between shots to let the barrel cool, do that. But not necessary.

Now move the reticle to recenter that 10 shot group.

Now you should have another 6-8 rounds in the box. Fire all of those to make sure that group is centered on the bullseye.

You are done. One trip. Less than 30 minutes.


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[Zerk]

Aim at the bullseye and fire another bullet. It should be dead center. If not adjust one more time.

Shouldn't I fire 10 shots to get a grouping first?
Sure you can look down the bolt, but what is wrong with laser? If I feel like spending money?

I set it up in my house first. trying to lock a gun down outdoors, is not always the easiest. On that same idea, I same locking it down, shooting, and adjusting.

I've also just kneeled at 20 yards, from huge cardboard, and made gross adjustments to get close, when changing on the fly.

 

[Brontosaurus]

I've thought about getting a tikka for the trip. But running out of time to work up loads. Hate the stocks. But people say they shoot good. Also not sure if I want another cheap gun.

Yes!!! This is a good thought! Get one, properly degrease and torque everything down and you have a much more reliable system! Once you spend some time with it you'll realize tikkas are anything but "cheap"

 

[Marshfly]

Shouldn't I fire 10 shots to get a grouping first?
Sure you can look down the bolt, but what is wrong with laser? If I feel like spending money?

I set it up in my house first

You need the 10 rounds at 100 yards. You will not see enough dispersion at 25.

I have a laser. I’ve used other lasers. The bore method is faster and more accurate and repeatable. The lasers are always worse than looking down the very bore the bullet is going to travel through.


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