school...this fall

[handwerk]

Ok, I know it's not an easy fix at all, I'm just thinking outside the box a bit. I know in many area a kid's school lunch or free breakfast is their best meal of the day, and obviously most parents have jobs to go to. The point is I don't think we can underestimate how crazy things could be this fall/winter, so you parents out there brace yourself.
There are just so many things one has to consider when trying to make school happen in a safe, productive way.

 

[NDGuy]

There really is no good way about it. Everyone's situation is different so having a blanket school is closed/open is silly. I have had my kiddo in daycare and they have been testing everyone including parents the last month. I am very fortunate she's just in daycare so she's confined with her class of 15 instead of a school with 100s or 1000s.

I am irritated by the Fed's approach of having no plan and leaving it up to the states to figure out. Every school should be making their own plans but we need the Dept of Education to step up and provide proper guidance, very poor leadership IMO. My aunt is on the ND education board and still hasn't received much for guidance.

Kids need schooling obviously, but the world is turning to the digital world everywhere so maybe a year of distanced learning for at-risk states/population centers would be a good thing if nothing else for teaching adaptability and forcing kids to learn new skills/tools.

Obviously distanced learning and modifying the educational approach for a year could have effects down the road. However, this is a novel virus that we do not know what implications may have in mild or asymptomatic cases down the road. Similar to SARs and AIDs when they came about, we are just guessing this point and we are putting all of our children at risk for health problems down the road. This will spread especially if sports continue, groups of kids with close contact traveling around their state playing in close contact with other groups of kids...cmon use common sense there is no way to avoid spreading it just on that aspect alone.

Bottom line is it is a bad situation and we have to all manage it the best we can. Here is a direct link to the latest CDC study published this week...not looking good for those who believe kids don't spread COVID. Even if kids turn out fine and recover without any long term side effects they are going to get their teachers sick as well as bring it home to their parents, grandparents siblings etc.

Contact Tracing during Coronavirus Disease Outbreak, South Korea, 2020

Contact Tracing during COVID-19 Outbreak

wwwnc.cdc.gov

Study Says Kids Age 10 and Up Spread COVID At Least as Much as Adults

Here's how it impacts school re-openings.

www.yahoo.com

 

[NDGuy]

A Brown University study with 25,000 kids is science.

A study from Austria sited in the scientific journal Nature, one of, if not the most prestigious scientific journals in the world.

COVID-19 in educational settings | NCIRS

www.ncirs.org.au

Yes and science can change, this article is from April...lots has changed since then. Read what I posted above.

 

[MT257]

There really is no good way about it. Everyone's situation is different so having a blanket school is closed/open is silly. I have had my kiddo in daycare and they have been testing everyone including parents the last month. I am very fortunate she's just in daycare so she's confined with her class of 15 instead of a school with 100s or 1000s.

I am irritated by the Fed's approach of having no plan and leaving it up to the states to figure out. Every school should be making their own plans but we need the Dept of Education to step up and provide proper guidance, very poor leadership IMO. My aunt is on the ND education board and still hasn't received much for guidance.

Kids need schooling obviously, but the world is turning to the digital world everywhere so maybe a year of distanced learning for at-risk states/population centers would be a good thing if nothing else for teaching adaptability and forcing kids to learn new skills/tools.

Obviously distanced learning and modifying the educational approach for a year could have effects down the road. However, this is a novel virus that we do not know what implications may have in mild or asymptomatic cases down the road. Similar to SARs and AIDs when they came about, we are just guessing this point and we are putting all of our children at risk for health problems down the road. This will spread especially if sports continue, groups of kids with close contact traveling around their state playing in close contact with other groups of kids...cmon use common sense there is no way to avoid spreading it just on that aspect alone.

Bottom line is it is a bad situation and we have to all manage it the best we can. Here is a direct link to the latest CDC study published this week...not looking good for those who believe kids don't spread COVID. Even if kids turn out fine and recover without any long term side effects they are going to get their teachers sick as well as bring it home to their parents, grandparents siblings etc.

Contact Tracing during Coronavirus Disease Outbreak, South Korea, 2020

Contact Tracing during COVID-19 Outbreak

wwwnc.cdc.gov

Study Says Kids Age 10 and Up Spread COVID At Least as Much as Adults

Here's how it impacts school re-openings.

www.yahoo.com

I’d be curious to know if there would be a better plan put together on the Fed level if we had a secratary of education who actually had some sort of back ground in education instead of previously working in the business world....

 

[NDGuy]

I’d be curious to know if there would be a better plan put together on the Fed level if we had a secratary of education who actually had some sort of back ground in education instead of previously working in the business world....

I am glad her background includes epidemiology since they decided they didn't need the CDC to come testify at the congressional hearing concerning schools re-opening this week....

 

[NDGuy]

I'd gladly close schools if you give me my property taxes back.

I'll pool it with a few friends and hire a teacher for a group of 6. The teacher will be paid more and the kids will get a better education.

Honestly, if this could become a thing. I would definitely be on board.

 

[Trial153]

My wife and I already decided that if it's either all distance learning or a even part time schedule we will hire a tutor.
Looking like it will 20 hours a week for both children if it's a total wash out, part time ....we will cut back 10 hours.

Even with her working from her home office it's too much trying to work and home school the kids at the same time.

 

[FLS]

We have 16000 kids unaccounted for here in SC. Virtual learning is a joke. Send the kids back to school, if a teacher doesn’t feel safe, replace them. Cut off the stay at home pay and see how many lose their fear of being infected.
It’s time to move foreward. We’ve wallowed in this misery long enough. I hope myself or my loved ones don’t get sick, but I’m not willing to drag others down because I’m scared of something that has a 90% chance of never happening.

 

[bobinmi]

If its distance learning we will be pulling our kids and homeschooling. Then I can do it on my schedule and not have it be a complete waste of everyone's time like the distance learning options that were given this year.

 

[durangobrad]

Honestly, if this could become a thing. I would definitely be on board.

Problem with that is....average property taxes are 3-3.5k per year. Multiply that by your 5-6 households and it's not nearly enough to pay a contract teacher.

Is one person going to teach all subjects to a range of age groups?

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[NDGuy]

Is one person going to teach all subjects to a range of age groups?

Definitely complicated for sure.

 

[sneaky]

If the Feds intervened states would be claiming federal overreach. If they leave it up to the individual states, they haven't done enough. There's no perfect answer and you can't please everyone.

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[THBZN]

We have 16000 kids unaccounted for here in SC. Virtual learning is a joke. Send the kids back to school, if a teacher doesn’t feel safe, replace them. Cut off the stay at home pay and see how many lose their fear of being infected.
It’s time to move foreward. We’ve wallowed in this misery long enough. I hope myself or my loved ones don’t get sick, but I’m not willing to drag others down because I’m scared of something that has a 90% chance of never happening.

Virtual learning was challenging for our son, but not a joke. My wife took it very seriously, and we did what we needed to do with the resources given to us by the school. It was not perfect, but we made it work.

Here are a few thoughts to consider:

What protocols are needed for testing students and faculty? Is a 7 day response for test results acceptable? (testing results have slowed down in many parts of the country)

Are the schools funded to pay for new staff for cleaning/sanitizing and health care (taking temps, dealing with students showing symptoms?)
What about the costs of testing?

Many schools plan to offer parents the option between online or in school attendance. How will faculty be able to handle both roles simultaneously?

How will school districts deal with older teachers who choose not to return? Will they be fired or be offered a sabbatical? Will there be a willing pool of substitutes available?

What rules will be needed if a positive case is detected? Will all students/faculty who resided in that room and their families be required to go into quarantine? What if that student arrived on a school bus?

I understand your frustration, but cannot see how a roughshod approach to something as serious as bringing back our kids in the middle of a mishandled pandemic with no national guidance, planning or funding is even remotely close to being a solid plan.
We missed the boat on "safely" having every school open for in-class instruction months ago.

 

[NDGuy]

If the Feds intervened states would be claiming federal overreach. If they leave it up to the individual states, they haven't done enough. There's no perfect answer and you can't please everyone.

Federal overreach like seizing control of COVID data?

Not intervening, but providing guidance for schools you know leadership. Watch in the coming months if things get back the Fed will be blaming "the states screwed it up not them."

 

[FLS]

Virtual learning was challenging for our son, but not a joke. My wife took it very seriously, and we did what we needed to do with the resources given to us by the school. It was not perfect, but we made it work.

Here are a few thoughts to consider:

What protocols are needed for testing students and faculty? Is a 7 day response for test results acceptable? (testing results have slowed down in many parts of the country)

Are the schools funded to pay for new staff for cleaning/sanitizing and health care (taking temps, dealing with students showing symptoms?)
What about the costs of testing?

Many schools plan to offer parents the option between online or in school attendance. How will faculty be able to handle both roles simultaneously?

How will school districts deal with older teachers who choose not to return? Will they be fired or be offered a sabbatical? Will there be a willing pool of substitutes available?

What rules will be needed if a positive case is detected? Will all students/faculty who resided in that room and their families be required to go into quarantine? What if that student arrived on a school bus?

I understand your frustration, but cannot see how a roughshod approach to something as serious as bringing back our kids in the middle of a mishandled pandemic with no national guidance, planning or funding is even remotely close to being a solid plan.
We missed the boat on "safely" having every school open for in-class instruction months ago.

How come the Europeans can send their kids back to school and we can’t?

 

[LostArra]

The school situation will be one of the most inflammatory national issues of these "trying times". There is probably no "right answer" except for the families who were already home schooling.


Around here there is a heated debate when the schools close for a Snow Day.

 

[NDGuy]

Around here there is a heated debate when the schools close for a Snow Day.

Man do I miss simpler times

How come the Europeans can send their kids back to school and we can’t?

Because they don't have millions of active cases.

 

[Spike elk]

I am glad the feds haven't stepped in and mandated the way that states need to go back to school. What works for New York would be quite different in Wyoming or South Dakota. Also, education is a state matter. There is no power given to the federal government in the constitution any where for education. (Thank the Lord!) It is a local state matter. The only way that the feds have gotten their hands on education is by funding part of it. Most states have taken the handout and then they have to follow the fed's rules, like standardized testing and common core, to keep getting it. Nothing like sucking on the teat of the federal government. Once they have you there you are stuck.

 

[Molon Labe]

Seems like an easy solution to me:

School starts up with children invited to school. (with safety precautions etc)
Parents can choose to send their kids...or keep kids home for virtual learning (cameras in classroom).
Teachers can teach from school if they want...if they dont they can retire or find another occupation.
Ultimately people go into the occupation of teaching because they love kids and love educating.
Why take this away from the teachers that want to be with the kids?

This gives everyone involved a choice and they can make decisions based on their opinions/feelings and it will not be forced onto the other people that may not agree.

 

[Trial153]

Too bad Texas and Florida flared up and people there are now dieing. It was better when politicians had all the answers and they could just blame liberals in liberal states. That didn't pan out to well...