S2H winter class 2026 observations and lessons learned

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These puffys are the way for this system. Ive been looking for a puffy like this for a long time. I hate layering to that degree because it ends up being so restrictive, moving around is annoying.

On the coldest day, -5 iirc, I just had on a grid fleece and wool sweater vest, and I was lightly sweating all day without realizing it. I was pretty dehydrated at the end of the day.
For my legs, I had on synthetic long John's, puffy pants and a cheap synthetic insulated over pant to take the abuse of range work.
For my feet, I wore my Hoffman cork paks the coldest day and Crispi Laponnias the rest of the week.
@Small-foot made me a pair of gauntlet mittens out of Mountain Goat hide. I never needed thinner gloves and my hands only got cold on one exercise when it was windy on the coldest day. By making a fist, the outside fur closed up over the mitten palm and held in my body heat to the point my hands were nearly sweating as well.

The double chest zip allows the chest rig to be inside or out quickly. it is a double zipper so it can be used as a vent also.

The kangaroo pocket is money also. the pocket is inside the insulated layer so keeping bare hands warm is easy. It's also big enough there is room for gloves, beanie, small stuff or even the warmer pouches.

The hood is large with an elastic hem that seals it on your head or pulls it up hehind your head to keep show out of the hood and your collar.

The shear volume of down blocks wind yet the puffy is surpringly light.
I'm unclear on the fitment/sizing, but mine fit like a XXL hoodie and was perfect. Roomy with the chest rig inside and it came down over my butt so it didn't ride up when bending and moving.

Overall, I WILL be getting one for myself and especially my wife who struggles to stay warm below 45 degrees in any wind.
 
Here's a semi-comprehensive review/summary of the winter S2H course, as form finishes out his posts I am sure more will come to mind.

In short, it's the best shooting course I have ever attended (approx a dozen different courses over the years); and we covered WAY more than just shooting. The other shooters all showed up prepared for warmer winter weather (aka spring weather), but as mid-week got closer the forecast plunged back down to real winter conditions and gave us a few days of 'the good shit'.

We spent days on the flat range working on the fundamentals of marksmanship, building & rebuilding shooting positions hundreds of times both on the timer and off. The guys running the class were extremely knowledgeable and were quick to offer tips to improve every aspect of your shooting. When asked questions, they had answers; and if they didn't know they stopped to think it through and work the problem to get to the crux of the issue. Their approach to teaching was refreshing and seemed to resonate very well with our group.

Gun failures that 'never happen' on the internet raised their head right out of the gate, with the two 700-based actions having issues literally from the first rounds fired in the pretest. The Tikkas were almost all trouble-free, with form's Trusty Rusty Rifle giving us an impromptu lesson in antenna-based gunsmithing and some of my AICS mags giving me reps on clearing FTFs. After switching to a proven 10 rd AICS mag, I had no more issues in my .223. @longrangelead was on hand to help break and fix anything that came up, along with shooting the course and helping teach. Once the nitrided Ravens showed up, he spun barrels on in the garage while we all bullshitted and learned what we could.

After shooting all day Thursday, a quick dinner and we were back outside, shooting under truck headlights until 11PM. This not only got us more time behind the guns in the cold, but also highlighted differences between light-gathering capabilities of the different scopes on hand. Even scopes with the same size objectives will have different glass quality and lens coatings, thus giving different performance. This doesn't even go into the differences in reticles and how that will influence the mag needed for accurate hits on target.

Once the work was done being put in on the range, we headed into the hills. Our range work had included wind calls thanks to shitty BCs and high winds, which accelerated our shooting process once we got in position. With some coaching on how to talk your shooter or spotter onto target, we immediately got to work truing rifles and hitting 1-3 MOA snow patches at ranges from 400 to over 700 yards. The shooter-spotter dialog was instrumental in first round hit rates being high, and any corrections were quick and easy to communicate to the shooter. Not enough can be said for the deliberate manner in which that is taught and put to use; I have no doubts that skill alone will account for more dead animals and quicker, more accurate follow-up shots when needed.

As previously stated, the course covered shooting and much, much more. From gear choices to gear placement in and outside your bag, to what needs to be on-hand in your bino pouch, to protocols when things start going wrong in inclement weather, it was covered. I like to think I am a gearhead and have all my shit dialed given that I live at 8,000 ft in the mountains and spend almost every day outside in the weather, from work to animals to hunting to shooting for fun. This course showed me that while most of my gear is pretty good, some of it needs to be better if I truly want to be comfortable when the conditions get really shitty.

Some things I think get understated or undersold -

THE FOOD

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Every bit of food was delicious, with Camille coming to cook on site multiple days and leaving us with pre-cooked (still incredible, just needed heat) meals in large serving trays for the other days. I cannot say enough about the quality of dinner every night, I do not think a single person had any food left on their plate or room in their stomach after a meal. I would attend the course again just to eat dinner. Personal highlight was fried chicken and a chocolate chip cookie, served over a wood RS Lite/S2H scope and a Marshall with a side of Terratorn. IYKYK.

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THE PEOPLE

We had shooters from all over the country, and 3 of the 6 had previously attended a S2H course or bear hunt. I could not ask for better classmates, both in shooting skill and quality of character. Everyone came with an open mind and a willingness to learn and put in work. There was always a line of people willing to clean dishes after meals and offer help in whatever fashion was needed. Shitty weather can make or break some people, I think the winter course self-selects for people that are willing to suffer to get better. To my fellow students, thank you for a great week. I look forward to hunting and shooting with all of you in the future.

The teachers were all top notch both in quality of character and level of instruction. They were willing to learn as much as teach, something that has not been common in other shooting courses I have attended. I feel they genuinely wanted us to improve throughout the week, giving feedback in whatever form was necessary to get the point across. Thank you all for your time and knowledge.

If you're attending in the future, bring your big boy shoes and some thick skin. Feedback can be very direct at times, but is not personal. All who attended had a great sense of humor and took feedback well.

THE GEAR

I can only speak for our course, but we got exposed to quite a few products in various stages of development. It was great to be able to see what is on the horizon, and give feedback direct to those who have the authority to make changes. There were Raven actions, S2H scopes, the new puffy, and multiple iterations of the Triple 6 suppressor from US, along with RS Lites and all kinds of wood stocks from @longrangelead, along with private conversations about items that may be forthcoming in the future.

Whole lotta good here
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The best puffy I have ever worn
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18" barrel & Griffin taper adapter vs 16" barrel & Triple 6 suppressor vs 3 mile long flinch-lock.
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Most of my personal gear fared well in the course, with the rewarming drill showing the greatest deficiencies. My Kifaru LPP pants, while warm, did not fully dry out even overnight by a wood fireplace. In contrast, the treated down puffy retained the majority of it's loft and was ready to go again after just a few hours. I was dumb and forgot to pack my typical thin wool base layer top, the 240 weight wool mid-layer I had on did not dry out in the drill along with my wool hybrid grid fleece. I was warm due to the puffy & SG 0* bag, but completely drying my gear out would have been an all-night affair requiring lots of coffee and food to keep my metabolism going.

I will be adding a ventile cotton top to my gear this off-season. It was immediately apparent the difference in durability vs a hardshell, along with easier repairs when the inevitable happens and it tears or abrades. I will also be picking up a set of Mukluks or the Vivo Tundras. My feet were not cold in my Crispis, but they were not warm either. I have had issues with cold feet on previous hunts during long glassing sessions, both of the other options appeared vastly superior in comparison.

Scope Bumpers performed well for keeping lenses clean, but inadequate clocking of the ocular cap led to multiple people's thumbs looking like this once rifles were run hard. Break your caps in with a few hundred cycles before use, as the stiffness of release cost me a few seconds on a handful of drills. Both caps should be clocked as much or more than the below picture shows (they clock in opposite directions to allow faster release).

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Rokstoks and RS Lites were very well represented here, with a few more traditional stock shapes represented on hunting rifles. I will let the shooters chime in with their direct comparisons, but will state from the outside the difference in recoil was readily apparent.

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I will add more as it comes to mind, and am happy to answer any questions I can. The cost of the course is steep both in $ and in time, but I think it is the best use of hunting-related money I have spent. Every student improved throughout the week, and left with the tools to keep improving in the off-season. More animals will die in less time this year with more comfortable shooters in shitty conditions thanks to what we learned last week.

Thank you again to all involved.
 
Here's a semi-comprehensive review/summary of the winter S2H course, as form finishes out his posts I am sure more will come to mind.

In short, it's the best shooting course I have ever attended (approx a dozen different courses over the years); and we covered WAY more than just shooting. The other shooters all showed up prepared for warmer winter weather (aka spring weather), but as mid-week got closer the forecast plunged back down to real winter conditions and gave us a few days of 'the good shit'.

We spent days on the flat range working on the fundamentals of marksmanship, building & rebuilding shooting positions hundreds of times both on the timer and off. The guys running the class were extremely knowledgeable and were quick to offer tips to improve every aspect of your shooting. When asked questions, they had answers; and if they didn't know they stopped to think it through and work the problem to get to the crux of the issue. Their approach to teaching was refreshing and seemed to resonate very well with our group.

Gun failures that 'never happen' on the internet raised their head right out of the gate, with the two 700-based actions having issues literally from the first rounds fired in the pretest. The Tikkas were almost all trouble-free, with form's Trusty Rusty Rifle giving us an impromptu lesson in antenna-based gunsmithing and some of my AICS mags giving me reps on clearing FTFs. After switching to a proven 10 rd AICS mag, I had no more issues in my .223. @longrangelead was on hand to help break and fix anything that came up, along with shooting the course and helping teach. Once the nitrided Ravens showed up, he spun barrels on in the garage while we all bullshitted and learned what we could.

After shooting all day Thursday, a quick dinner and we were back outside, shooting under truck headlights until 11PM. This not only got us more time behind the guns in the cold, but also highlighted differences between light-gathering capabilities of the different scopes on hand. Even scopes with the same size objectives will have different glass quality and lens coatings, thus giving different performance. This doesn't even go into the differences in reticles and how that will influence the mag needed for accurate hits on target.

Once the work was done being put in on the range, we headed into the hills. Our range work had included wind calls thanks to shitty BCs and high winds, which accelerated our shooting process once we got in position. With some coaching on how to talk your shooter or spotter onto target, we immediately got to work truing rifles and hitting 1-3 MOA snow patches at ranges from 400 to over 700 yards. The shooter-spotter dialog was instrumental in first round hit rates being high, and any corrections were quick and easy to communicate to the shooter. Not enough can be said for the deliberate manner in which that is taught and put to use; I have no doubts that skill alone will account for more dead animals and quicker, more accurate follow-up shots when needed.

As previously stated, the course covered shooting and much, much more. From gear choices to gear placement in and outside your bag, to what needs to be on-hand in your bino pouch, to protocols when things start going wrong in inclement weather, it was covered. I like to think I am a gearhead and have all my shit dialed given that I live at 8,000 ft in the mountains and spend almost every day outside in the weather, from work to animals to hunting to shooting for fun. This course showed me that while most of my gear is pretty good, some of it needs to be better if I truly want to be comfortable when the conditions get really shitty.

Some things I think get understated or undersold -

THE FOOD

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Every bit of food was delicious, with Camille coming to cook on site multiple days and leaving us with pre-cooked (still incredible, just needed heat) meals in large serving trays for the other days. I cannot say enough about the quality of dinner every night, I do not think a single person had any food left on their plate or room in their stomach after a meal. I would attend the course again just to eat dinner. Personal highlight was fried chicken and a chocolate chip cookie, served over a wood RS Lite/S2H scope and a Marshall with a side of Terratorn. IYKYK.

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THE PEOPLE

We had shooters from all over the country, and 3 of the 6 had previously attended a S2H course or bear hunt. I could not ask for better classmates, both in shooting skill and quality of character. Everyone came with an open mind and a willingness to learn and put in work. There was always a line of people willing to clean dishes after meals and offer help in whatever fashion was needed. Shitty weather can make or break some people, I think the winter course self-selects for people that are willing to suffer to get better. To my fellow students, thank you for a great week. I look forward to hunting and shooting with all of you in the future.

The teachers were all top notch both in quality of character and level of instruction. They were willing to learn as much as teach, something that has not been common in other shooting courses I have attended. I feel they genuinely wanted us to improve throughout the week, giving feedback in whatever form was necessary to get the point across.

If you're attending in the future, bring your big boy shoes and some thick skin. Feedback can be very direct at times, but is not personal. All who attended had a great sense of humor and took feedback well.

THE GEAR

I can only speak for our course, but we got exposed to quite a few products in various stages of development. It was great to be able to see what is on the horizon, and give feedback direct to those who have the authority to make changes. There were Raven actions, S2H scopes, the new puffy, and multiple iterations of the Triple 6 suppressor from US, along with RS Lites and all kinds of wood stocks from @longrangelead, along with private conversations about items that may be forthcoming in the future.

Whole lotta good here
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The best puffy I have ever worn
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18" barrel & Griffin taper adapter vs 16" barrel & Triple 6 suppressor vs 3 mile long flinch-lock.
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Most of my personal gear fared well in the course, with the rewarming drill showing the greatest deficiencies. My Kifaru LPP pants, while warm, did not fully dry out even overnight by a wood fireplace. In contrast, the treated down puffy retained the majority of it's loft and was ready to go again after just a few hours. I was dumb and forgot to pack my typical thin wool base layer top, the 240 weight wool mid-layer I had on did not dry out in the drill along with my wool hybrid grid fleece. I was warm due to the puffy & SG 0* bag, but completely drying my gear out would have been an all-night affair requiring lots of coffee and food to keep my metabolism going.

I will be adding a ventile cotton top to my gear this off-season. It was immediately apparent the difference in durability vs a hardshell, along with easier repairs when the inevitable happens and it tears or abrades. I will also be picking up a set of Mukluks or the Vivo Tundras. My feet were not cold in my Crispis, but they were not warm either. I have had issues with cold feet on previous hunts during long glassing sessions, both of the other options appeared vastly superior in comparison.

Scope Bumpers performed well for keeping lenses clean, but inadequate clocking of the ocular cap led to multiple people's thumbs looking like this once rifles were run hard. Break your caps in with a few hundred cycles before use, as the stiffness of release cost me a few seconds on a handful of drills. Both caps should be clocked as much or more than the below picture shows (they clock in opposite directions to allow faster release).

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Rokstoks and RS Lites were very well represented here, with a few more traditional stock shapes represented on hunting rifles. I will let the shooters chime in with their direct comparisons, but will state from the outside the difference in recoil was readily apparent.

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I will add more as it comes to mind, and am happy to answer any questions I can. The cost of the course is steep both in $ and in time, but I think it is the best use of hunting-related money I have spent. Every student improved throughout the week, and left with the tools to keep improving in the off-season. More animals will die in less time this year with more comfortable shooters in shitty conditions thanks to what we learned last week.

Thank you again to all involved.

Thank you for the post and thoughts.
 
[mention]RancherJohn [/mention] thanks for the write up, very informative. I had been wondering if any Apex insulation items were represented in the rewarming drill. Interesting results, and opposite of what I think most would expect. I’ve done successful rewarming drills twice in a Kifaru slick bag, but haven’t tested it directly against down. Both times there was still moisture present in the bag, similar to your experience. Having a down top next to apex bottoms is a great way to test in identical conditions…smart. What bag were you running for the drill? Cliff G’s results with the Argali are pretty impressive also…I have a feeling this’ll stir the pot a bit…it’s certainly got me interested in trying a few things.


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Tikka(left) has a flat breech face.
Rem and clones use a recessed breech face with minimal clearance, usually .010" or less between bolt face/breech and bolt diameter/recess diameter.

Last year my 6.5 PRC had carbon from the suppressor come down the barrel. part of it got packed in the chamber, part between the bolt face and breech which wouldn't allow the bolt to close.

We didnt go down this rabbit trail, but I'd bet money snow failure is the same. The snow gets compressed to ice in the breech recess and that's it, now it has to melt or you mess around scraping out what you can reach with whatever you can find.

Flat breeches like Tikka let debris get squished out the sides and don't have nearly the blockage issues.
Not all 700 clones have the recessed bolt nose. Zermatt TL3 and Origin are examples. I’m curious as to which 700 clone failed.

John
 
I have the older version of the Varusteleka Windproof anorak, not sure off hand what the difference between the two are but like everything there are pluses and minuses. It is windproof, I like the hand pocket behind the drop pocket, the hood is nice, the collar some will like and others will prefer a traditional straight zip, and you can layer under it very well, and the double zippered side zips that run from the bottom of the hem to the armpit are great for getting it off and on as well as venting. I wish it had a draw cord in the hem, or just below the pocket. It could be waxed for better rain protection.
Overall for the price of the new one ( I got mine a couple years ago on a huge discount) I would spend the extra money and get the hilltrek. The ventile is worth it over the cotton poly blend.
The difference between the Varusteleka Anorak and Ventile are the waterproofing and breathability, they would both have exceptional durability and good windproofing.

The cotton/poly fabric needs to be waxed to be waterproof. But when it is waxed, it is not very breathable.

Ventile cotton does not need to be waxed to be waterproof. It is waterproof because of the dense weave and the use of the highest quality, long-staple, cotton fibers. When it gets wet, the cotton fibers swell and that swelling actually makes the fabric impermeable to water. When it dries, the fibers shrink back and the jacket is breathable again.

Once ventile is wet, you can look at both sides and it will appear damp, but no water will actually come through. This is why some ventile garments have a double layer - the first layer gets damp and fibers expand, the second layer keeps that damp layer off of you and feels drier inside. If I recall, this was the difference between the red kettle wind jacket and rain jacket. Hilltrek also sells single and double layer ventile jackets.
 
The difference between the two are the waterproofing and breathability, they would both have exceptional durability and good windproofing.

The cotton/poly fabric needs to be waxed to be waterproof. But when it is waxed, it is not very breathable.

Ventile cotton does not need to be waxed to be waterproof. It is waterproof because of the dense weave and the use of the highest quality, long-staple, cotton fibers. When it gets wet, the cotton fibers swell and that swelling actually makes the fabric impermeable to water. When it dries, the fibers shrink back and the jacket is breathable again.

Once ventile is wet, you can look at both sides and it will appear damp, but no water will actually come through. This is why some ventile garments have a double layer - the first layer gets damp and fibers expand, the second layer keeps that damp layer off of you and feels drier inside. If I recall, this was the difference between the red kettle wind jacket and rain jacket. Hilltrek also sells single and double layer ventile jackets.
I meant the difference between the old and new versions of the varusteka anoraks.

But that is a great write up for people interested in the differences between the cotton/ploy and the ventile.

Ventile for the win
 
[mention]RancherJohn [/mention] thanks for the write up, very informative. I had been wondering if any Apex insulation items were represented in the rewarming drill. Interesting results, and opposite of what I think most would expect. I’ve done successful rewarming drills twice in a Kifaru slick bag, but haven’t tested it directly against down. Both times there was still moisture present in the bag, similar to your experience. Having a down top next to apex bottoms is a great way to test in identical conditions…smart. What bag were you running for the drill? Cliff G’s results with the Argali are pretty impressive also…I have a feeling this’ll stir the pot a bit…it’s certainly got me interested in trying a few things.


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SG 0*

How did the Stone Glacier 0 degree work on the re-warming drill?

It worked well, I believe I was the first asleep during the rewarming drill. Post-drill, it had maintained the majority of it's loft even with moisture inside and out. I have tested it before with sweat-soaked clothes in subzero temps with good results, but never as saturated with water as I was after getting in the creek.
 
I meant the difference between the old and new versions of the varusteka anoraks.

But that is a great write up for people interested in the differences between the cotton/ploy and the ventile.

Ventile for the win
Gotcha, my apologies for explaining something you already understood.

I'll leave it up as an explanation for other folks. If you do wind up getting a ventile jacket, let us know how it compares firsthand.
 
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