RokStok

[BLJ]

My MDT HNT26 was a true drop-in. With the exception of the bolt stop retention pin, so was my XLR Element 4.0.

My ignorant, non-machinist-gunsmith suspicion is that the issue with most composite stocks is that they lack a true fiducial point to register the mill. If they would put some bedding pillars/mini Al chassis in the action inlet area that could potentially help. Cost would go up of course, but as is I won't be buying any more Stockys/UM stocks. At this point I'll just hold out for Gunwerks style redesign of the HNT26...

That was mentioned earlier and @Formidilosus said it would nearly double the cost.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Are rokstocks available to order currently?

 

[Formidilosus]

My ignorant, non-machinist-gunsmith suspicion is that the issue with most composite stocks is that they lack a true fiducial point to register the mill.

That is exactly why all of the stocks that are milled CNC’d from the factory vary. To get that perfect- stocks aren’t going to be $500, or even $1,000.

If they would put some bedding pillars/mini Al chassis in the action inlet area that could potentially help. Cost would go up of course, but as is I won't be buying any more Stockys/UM stocks. At this point I'll just hold out for Gunwerks style redesign of the HNT26...

Regardless of Stockys- if you are willing to spend that much money- why not get pillars installed and full bed job? That is the only way to get an actual near perfect fit.

 

[Formidilosus]

That was mentioned earlier and @Formidilosus said it would nearly double the cost.

Yes- not mention it’s ridiculous. This is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[BLJ]

Yes- not mention it’s ridiculous. This is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Just wanted to make sure that @swavescatter saw it.

Do the Tikka rokstoks have the composite Accublock V Block?

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

That has not been what I have seen with dozens of RokStoks, Manners, McMillans, and Mesa’s. I have not had a ROKStok that I could not get to function properly within 2-3 minutes on the tailgate of a truck. That is has most certainly not been the case with the others.

I’ve not had to dick around with any McMillan, Mesa, or really any other aftermarket carbon stock with Tikka rifles. The barreled actions went in with 65” lbs and they functioned as expected. The sample count is only around 20 stocks though between a few brands.

Once I switched to the Stockys VG I started seeing issues that just didn’t happen on any other stocks. Like you said, a few minutes of fussing around and the issues were resolved in all cases.

What inletting issues?

Having to add shims so that factory magazines (and others) will properly work. Filing down action screws that protrude and ride on the bolt. Slam fires with two Stockys VG stocks and High Desert bottom metal with 65” lbs of torque. I’ve been pretty open and honest here with the issues I’ve had and it’s been documented across multiple threads.

At the end of the day, it’s an aftermarket product, I don’t expect anything to be perfect, but to compare Stockys quality to McMillan, that’s where I’ve personally seen a difference in minimum 10 stocks from each company. Again not a huge sample size but enough to make a guy go “hmmm”.

 

[HuntHarder]

A “bunch”- or a few? And, having to use washers happens with factory stocks and the factory plastic BM too. And with multiple different aftermarket bottom metals. Is the factory stock off?

I have seen triple digits of Rokstocks- I have installed 50+ at S2H classes in front the students. One (1) has needed the rear action screw filed most likely due to the inlet being a bit shallow, 1 the screw was filed because we had no washers and the factory BM was pulling through, and several have needed washers with the factory BM. About the same numbers of factory stocks that have needed the same.
In that same time- 6 or 7x McMillans had the inlet off center, at least 4x Manners that were completely unusable without a full bed job out of 10-12.
I have been very critical of Stocky’s and UM openly- however, on this subject, it isn’t them that is out of the norm for the industry. I don’t give a rip about “finish” or a mold line or whatever- so on that, I don’t care and yall can argue all you want.
As for being able to remove factory stock, drop in Tikka, screw on BM and go- the Rokstoks have been far less headache in the last year than the other manufacturers. The only easier one is the KRG’s and they come with their own action screws and totally different BM.

A few is typically 4 or 5. Between me and 2 other guys we have that many that needed shims or action screws shortened. So lets use a "bunch." Honestly, it's not that big of a deal, but it is a problem, that could easily be fixed I'd imagine. I haven't heard or seen anyone say their inlet is not deep enough.

Is it a big deal to change the inlet depth a touch? I have no experience in stock manufacturing.

 

[svivian]

Adding my small sample size here

Between 4 Mesa precisions, 2 xlr’s, and a manners I have never needed to shim until I got a rokstock. Between myself and my buddy all three rokstocks needed shimmed and two of the three had lug issues. One of which got sent back to be fixed.

I do find it surprising that some factory stocks may need a shim. I’m not discounting it, however on a forum that is heavily Tikka users, you would think something like this would get brought up more often.

For $545 I do not expect perfection though.

 

[NealS02]

I ordered a RokStok and unsure whether to hunt with it or if the stock is better served in a range role with a Tikka .223. Any input would be appreciated.

 

[waspocrew]

I ordered a RokStok and unsure whether to hunt with it or if the stock is better served in a range role with a Tikka .223. Any input would be appreciated.

All of the above!

 

[deerhunter628]

I ordered a RokStok and unsure whether to hunt with it or if the stock is better served in a range role with a Tikka .223. Any input would be appreciated.

What is your reservation about hunting with it?

 

[BAKPAKR]

That is exactly why all of the stocks that are milled CNC’d from the factory vary. To get that perfect- stocks aren’t going to be $500, or even $1,000.




Regardless of Stockys- if you are willing to spend that much money- why not get pillars installed and full bed job? That is the only way to get an actual near perfect fit.

Per AI, some of the advantages of CNC are:

• • Precision & Accuracy:
    CNC machines execute digital designs with high precision, producing parts that meet tight tolerances and are identical every time.
    
  • Speed & Efficiency:
    Automated processes allow CNC machines to operate faster and more efficiently than manual machining, leading to quick production of large quantities.
    
  • Consistency & Repeatability:
    Once programmed, a CNC machine will produce the same product repeatedly without variations, ensuring uniform quality for mass production.
    
  • Reduced Waste:
    Precision cutting and efficient material usage minimize scrap and defective parts, making the process more eco-friendly and cost-effective.
    
  • Lower Labor Costs:
    Automation reduces the need for manual labor, as one operator can oversee multiple machines, significantly cutting down labor expenses.

So, who is screwing up - Stockys or Tikka? I genuinely want to know as I am contemplating buying a couple more Tikkas while they have a rebate.

 

[Formidilosus]

Per AI, some of the advantages of CNC are:

• • Precision & Accuracy:
    CNC machines execute digital designs with high precision, producing parts that meet tight tolerances and are identical every time.
  • Speed & Efficiency:
    Automated processes allow CNC machines to operate faster and more efficiently than manual machining, leading to quick production of large quantities.
  • Consistency & Repeatability:
    Once programmed, a CNC machine will produce the same product repeatedly without variations, ensuring uniform quality for mass production.
  • Reduced Waste:
    Precision cutting and efficient material usage minimize scrap and defective parts, making the process more eco-friendly and cost-effective.
  • Lower Labor Costs:
    Automation reduces the need for manual labor, as one operator can oversee multiple machines, significantly cutting down labor expenses.

So, who is screwing up - Stockys or Tikka? I genuinely want to know as I am contemplating buying a couple more Tikkas while they have a rebate.

What does that have to do with inletting a stock?

 

[swavescatter]

Per AI, some of the advantages of CNC are:

• • Precision & Accuracy:
    CNC machines execute digital designs with high precision, producing parts that meet tight tolerances and are identical every time.
  • Speed & Efficiency:
    Automated processes allow CNC machines to operate faster and more efficiently than manual machining, leading to quick production of large quantities.
  • Consistency & Repeatability:
    Once programmed, a CNC machine will produce the same product repeatedly without variations, ensuring uniform quality for mass production.
  • Reduced Waste:
    Precision cutting and efficient material usage minimize scrap and defective parts, making the process more eco-friendly and cost-effective.
  • Lower Labor Costs:
    Automation reduces the need for manual labor, as one operator can oversee multiple machines, significantly cutting down labor expenses.

So, who is screwing up - Stockys or Tikka? I genuinely want to know as I am contemplating buying a couple more Tikkas while they have a rebate.

Definitely Stockys. Outside of Form (who puts hands on 10,000 rifles per day) pretty much nobody has any issues with the factory Tikka stock fitment. Long ago there were issues with Al recoil lugs, but those are gone now...

 

[NealS02]

What is your reservation about hunting with it?

None whatsoever! I don’t hunt with .223, only have one RokStok, and want help deciding if I should stick it on a .223 range gun or take my 6.5 CM off a Stocky’s and put it on the RokStok to hunt.

 

[BAKPAKR]

What does that have to do with inletting a stock?

 

[Formidilosus]

You can emoji if you want.

However, imagine how a flattop stock is being indexed to machine the inlet. It shouldn’t be hard to understand that it will be very hard to mass produce stocks that have perfect inlets. How long does it take LRI for instance to inlet a flat top? And, do they still bed them?

 

[BAKPAKR]

You can emoji if you want.

However, imagine how a flattop stock is being indexed to machine the inlet. It shouldn’t be hard to understand that it will be very hard to mass produce stocks that have perfect inlets. How long does it take LRI for instance to inlet a flat top? And, do they still bed them?

So, if I order a RokStok, I should assume it needs bedded?

 

[wind gypsy]

So, if I order a RokStok, I should assume it needs bedded?

I’m batting 500 on the two I’ve actually used thus far, 3rd is tbd. The area of concern that required bedding looks better on the new one though.

 

[atmat]

To add to the data points. I’ve had four Rokstoks (2 Tikka T3x, 1 Tikka T1x, 1 Marshall) and none of them needed any modifications (note, not counting the spacer issue on the Marshall because that’s an additional install).

I also owned 3 Stocky’s VGs and all were totally fine, too.

I only had 1 McMillan and it was fine, too.