Rokslide Approved LPVO?

[SDHNTR]

I’m a hunter and am only interested in scopes for hunting purposes. That said, why FFP in a LPVO? Are the reticles just generally better (more visible) at lower powers than they are on full sized optics? What advantage does FFP offer in a low power scope used for shorter distance shooting?

Seems a SFP for just 1-4x or 1-6x would be better. What am I missing?

 

[walk2112]

I’m a hunter and am only interested in scopes for hunting purposes. That said, why FFP in a LPVO? Are the reticles just generally better (more visible) at lower powers than they are on full sized optics? What advantage does FFP offer in a low powers than scope used for shorter distance shooting?

Seems a SFP for just 1-4x or 1-6x would be better. What am I missing?

I actually agree with you most of the time, I just have found myself a few times now in situations with a 1-6 SFP, hunting large moving (walking) targets (brown bear) where due to the terrain, semi-brief shot opportunities in a situation where I had a chance to range landmarks ahead of time, (the trajectory of 270-300gr 375 bullets out of a short barrel affects this too) it would have been nice to dial down to 3.5x-4x ish and be able to do quickly either shoot ‘dead on’ the bear that could pop out of the brush at the bottom of a drainage/alder patch at 60ish yards or holdover 1.6 mils or so quickly if it pops out at 320 yds and gives an opportunity, or anywhere in between, without dialing or adjusting magnification or thinking about correction factors in reticle. Accordingly, Im still experimenting with an NX8 currently, which is not as quick to peep thru as the 1-6 Accupoint.

I suppose in this example with a 1-6 Accupoint mildot, I could have zoomed out to 3.75x mag and eyeballed my holdover to be somewhere between 0 and 1 mil (up close to 320 yards) and still been pretty deadly.
Also could spend more time practicing on 6x at shorter range shots

 

[plebe]

I actually agree with you most of the time, I just have found myself a few times now in situations with a 1-6 SFP, hunting large moving (walking) targets (brown bear) where due to the terrain, semi-brief shot opportunities in a situation where I had a chance to range landmarks ahead of time, (the trajectory of 270-300gr 375 bullets out of a short barrel affects this too) it would have been nice to dial down to 3.5x-4x ish and be able to do quickly either shoot ‘dead on’ the bear that could pop out of the brush at the bottom of a drainage/alder patch at 60ish yards or holdover 1.6 mils or so quickly if it pops out at 320 yds and gives an opportunity, or anywhere in between, without dialing or adjusting magnification or thinking about correction factors in reticle. Accordingly, Im still experimenting with an NX8 currently, which is not as quick to peep thru as the 1-6 Accupoint.

I suppose in this example with a 1-6 Accupoint mildot, I could have zoomed out to 3.75x mag and eyeballed my holdover to be somewhere between 0 and 1 mil (up close to 320 yards) and still been pretty deadly.
Also could spend more time practicing on 6x at shorter range shots

Is that what you use/prefer, the Mildot reticle?

 

[NathanH]

I have used a Vortex Razor Gen 2 1-6 pretty extensively over the last 3 years. I have not done a super scientific drop test but have been through numerous carbine classes, matches and banging around the woods. Im hard on gear and do not baby my tools. I have had zero issues with it and has always held zero. The BDC marks line up great out of my gun with both 55gr pmc and 77 grain SMK. The 1x magnification is as close to a true 1x I have seen on a LPVO (large eye box, minimal scope shadow etc). Not quite red dot 1x, but as close as any I have looked through (nightforce, eotech, trijicon, PA).
Im not a huge Vortex fan but they got it right with this one.


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Agreed. If you can afford the razor do it, if not I wouldn’t hesitate to get their more economical options. If it’s not a “duty” rifle those will do fine.

 

[walk2112]

Is that what you use/prefer, the Mildot reticle?

Yep, I use mils on everything else, and unlike the 3-9 the 1-6, 2.5-12.5, 4-16 AP have matching reticle/adjusters.
That’s one other way the Triji 1-6 beats out the NX8 a little IMO, .1 mil vs .2 mil adjustments.
.2 isn’t a deal breaker, but there are times when zeroing my selective OCD flares up a little haha

 

[Jordan Smith]

I’m a hunter and am only interested in scopes for hunting purposes. That said, why FFP in a LPVO? Are the reticles just generally better (more visible) at lower powers than they are on full sized optics? What advantage does FFP offer in a low power scope used for shorter distance shooting?

Seems a SFP for just 1-4x or 1-6x would be better. What am I missing?

With a well-designed reticle in a LPVO, you get two reticles for the price of one.

Here's a Trijicon Accupower 1-8x. You can see the reticle set on 1x (essentially a red dot) and on 8x (with mrad subtensions for holds and corrections on mid-range shots):

 

[SDHNTR]

Hmmm, I’ve got a M70 .375 sitting scopeless and I just haven’t found the right match for it.

 

[walk2112]

Hmmm, I’ve got a M70 .375 sitting scopeless and I just haven’t found the right match for it.

It’s hard for me to not recommend that Accupoint 1-6 honestly, on paper the NX8 is has more of what I want/features/configuration, but there’s some sort of ‘just feels right’ or ‘it’ factor about the ease of using/sighting thru the AP 1-6.
Not knocking on the NX8, it’s pretty awesome, but getting behind the Triji is faster/easier and more forgiving. And no batteries is nice.

I see Trijicon has a Credo 1-10 mil/mil FFP now too that’s 21oz…. But that mag range makes me nervous that either one end or the other will have quirky issues or they cut corners on durability to get to that weight, because the 1-8 Accupower that preceded it which Form has beat or witnessed the snot beat out of was 28+oz…. Sure appeared to be a bomber reliable scope though from what was presented in other threads.

Regardless, I’ve been itching to look thru one to assess for myself.

 

[SDHNTR]

My 375 is a DG rifle. Getting behind it and quick target acquisition is paramount. I’ve got NX8 on a couple LR guns. An 8x erector doesn’t make much sense to me on this type of rifle. Interestingly enough, the 1-6 Accupoint was kind of where I was leaning.

 

[plebe]

It’s hard for me to not recommend that Accupoint 1-6 honestly, on paper the NX8 is has more of what I want/features/configuration, but there’s some sort of ‘just feels right’ or ‘it’ factor about the ease of using/sighting thru the AP 1-6.
Not knocking on the NX8, it’s pretty awesome, but getting behind the Triji is faster/easier and more forgiving. And no batteries is nice.

I see Trijicon has a Credo 1-10 mil/mil FFP now too that’s 21oz…. But that mag range makes me nervous that either one end or the other will have quirky issues or they cut corners on durability to get to that weight, because the 1-8 Accupower that preceded it which Form has beat or witnessed the snot beat out of was 28+oz…. Sure appeared to be a bomber reliable scope though from what was presented in other threads.

Regardless, I’ve been itching to look thru one to assess for myself.

Sounds like the ATACR 1-8 might suit you too.

I’ve several Accupoints, but not the 1-6, though I’ve been close to ordering one many times. I have had the impression that the mil dot reticle has such a small fiber optic aiming point and fine wires that it detracts from the up close quickness the series was predicated on, albeit as a boon to longer range aiming solutions. Your not finding it slows you down when you need to be fast with it?

 

[FLS]

Durability- ATACR or NX8 1-8
Optical Quality - Khales 1-8 or Razor 1-6
Best bang for the buck - Accupoint 1-6
I’ve owned / used all of those shooting 3 gun / 2 gun / carbine matches.
If I didn’t need to shoot past 2-300 yds, Accupoint all day every day. Stupid simple and it works.
The DMX reticle in the Nightforce was a big improvement, but I struggle getting the 8x scopes adjusted to my eyes with progressive lenses. If my life depended on it I would make it work.
The Razor 1-6 has been my go to. I haven’t drop tested it, but mine has been solid for years, thru thousands of rounds, getting banged up getting in out of vehicle, over, under, on top of barricades. If it take a shit tomorrow, I’ve more than gotten my money out of it and Vortex will send me a brand new one.
The Khales is fantastic but just too damned expensive.

 

[FLS]

My 375 is a DG rifle. Getting behind it and quick target acquisition is paramount. I’ve got NX8 on a couple LR guns. An 8x erector doesn’t make much sense to me on this type of rifle. Interestingly enough, the 1-6 Accupoint was kind of where I was leaning.

I think it would be an excellent choice for that application.

 

[walk2112]

Sounds like the ATACR 1-8 might suit you too.

I’ve several Accupoints, but not the 1-6, though I’ve been close to ordering one many times. I have had the impression that the mil dot reticle has such a small fiber optic aiming point and fine wires that it detracts from the up close quickness the series was predicated on, albeit as a boon to longer range aiming solutions. Your not finding it slows you down when you need to be fast with it?

ATACR would probably be perfect, except the $$$ but maybe one of these days I’ll take the plunge.
I haven’t noticed it to slow me down at all, the fiber dot being there (I prefer green) seems to make up for whatever perceived visibility loss of the finer lines close to center, but I have looked thru one with the triangle reticle too and that is probably the ultimate in fast targeting. I still prefer the mil dot for my uses, but if I knew I’d never shoot beyond 200 yards that triangle is really quick. I’d imagine for an Africa DG rifle the triangle would be the choice, that and/or maybe thick whitetail/hog woods

 

[Stinky Coyote]

I’ve found the 1-6 Accupoint that rode around on my 375 Ruger for a few years (before I moved it to an AR to scratch a momentary itch that digests cheaper ammo) to hold zero exceptionally well on multiple fly out Alaskan knock around adventures, including me busting my ass and landing on the rifle twice packing out a big Blacktail down Kodiak’s lovely muddy steep hillsides, TSA, plenty of recoil cycles, tipping over to fall into the alders when a gust moved the limbs too much, etc.
I think I’ll have to buy another probably. Only minor gripe is SFP, but that’s due to the fiber optic (which I like a lot) and keeping 1-2x super useful. I don’t think there’s a better LPVO for a ‘brush gun’ in terms of simple ease of use per dollar on a mid range hunting rifle.
***Edit just to say ‘I totally agree’. Getting behind this scope is a pleasure and very fast, just ‘bam!’ instant big beautiful sight picture.

They are very nice. Optically amazing, eye box ease, awesome reticle (I had German #4 green). Longer, easy mounting flexibility. Some things to consider, tail heavy due to huge eye box, may have to grind down the mag ring nub at very least round the very sharp edges or you'll skin yourself on a bolt action if on 6x (self trainer). Otherwise awesome scopes. On a lightweight slender gun it looks and feels like a gorilla on a tricycle and you notice that rearward weight balance and overall top heavy feel which you notice very quickly when you put the below scope on same light slender rifle.

Sold mine for nx8 dmx capped, it's downside is almost too short for mounting flexibility, might not fit well if trying to span long actions and meet eye relief if you have longer lop rifle, .2 mil per click (translated into 185 or 205 yard zero for me on 308, settled on 205, windage able to get on mine close enough to center I couldn't see it affecting field performance, cone crosses centerline pretty well) and yeah takes a minute to set the focus and seems to want to be on the mag range you intend to spend most time at. It balances under the turret block at eyepiece edge(neutral), it's small and light and looks and feels much better on a lightweight slender sporter, love the reticle and everything else. Still need a few more hunts on it go through a few more conditions. but it's proven itself so far in the field and pretty happy, generally after a few seasons I come to final conclusions, I don't foresee any issues, as Tom Cruise said 'it's looking good so far'.

It's pretty remarkable how much scope is packed in that tiny and compact nx8 dmx, feel like it's in a class of 1, certainly in a class of 1 for my wants on a very light nimble sporter, as a gp do all, everything else so much bigger, longer, heavier to get similar feature sets and qualities. Love that it exists, well done Nightforce. More of that please, lower mag, capped option, great reticle, give us more stuff like that, maybe some fixed powers, maybe some mpvo up to 42mm using all the same stuff on that little nx8 including the compact lightweight design. Oh, and get it to .1 mil/click pls

 

[Tahoe1305]

Anyone messed with the trijicon 1-10. I have with the 1-8 and am a fan.

I think 10x erector is asking a lot from an optic and typically seen much more than 8x comes with compromises (eye box/relief is sensitive at higher powers).

But it’s lighter than the 8x a bit and I’d appreciate 10x with some longer range cartridges. Just don’t want to sacrifice two eye open shooting at 1x.