Rifle ice/snow freeze eval 2025

[Jason Snyder]

Is there any functional and/or design difference between a Kimber trigger and a M70 trigger?

 

[Odd1out]

Anyone ever try this with a 2 stage trigger tech?

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[ndlawrence]

Fluted bolts as most are done do allow for more debris to enter the action. They still work well- they’re still a Tikka, but they do allow more in than a standard bolt. As far as that goes, the original T3 with smaller ejection port is “better” than the T3x.

This is something I’ve seen on my rifles - to a point where I’m considering not fluting anymoree. The weight savings seems completely negligible, which only leaves aesthetics as a plus. Seems like leaving them unfluted is the best call in the pursuit of reliability?

What about the UM actions with the tops cut open? Seems like even more room for stuff to get in. I do like the looks though.

 

[Formidilosus]

This is something I’ve seen on my rifles - to a point where I’m considering not fluting anymoree. The weight savings seems completely negligible, which only leaves aesthetics as a plus. Seems like leaving them unfluted is the best call in the pursuit of reliability?

I have zero use for bolt fluting as currently done. It is 100% cosmetic.

What about the UM actions with the tops cut open? Seems like even more room for stuff to get in. I do like the looks though.

Takes a reliable action and makes it less reliable.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

This is something I’ve seen on my rifles - to a point where I’m considering not fluting anymoree. The weight savings seems completely negligible, which only leaves aesthetics as a plus. Seems like leaving them unfluted is the best call in the pursuit of reliability?

Take any rifle with a fluted bolt and an identical rifle without a fluted bolt. I hand each one to you, one at a time, and you're not allowed to look down at it. Walk 300 yards and then come back. Try to guess which rifle was the fluted versus non fluted. You won't be able to tell the difference.

Fluting a bolt is for looks.

 

[finner]

No. From a reliability (not safety standpoint) Timneys are about the same as a well adjusted factory trigger- they are better at not firing when the safety is taken off.

The only R700 compatible triggers that are any improvement in reliability and safety are the Geissele Super 700 and the XSTP Mod 22 trigger- both incidentally are two stage triggers. The R700 trigger design is compromised from the start- it is an inherent problem that cannot be completely fixed regardless of trigger.

Does the Mod22 trigger fare better in snow and ice, or is it just capable of passing the 1.5m drop test?

 

[Formidilosus]

Does the Mod22 trigger fare better in snow and ice, or is it just capable of passing the 1.5m drop test?

They were more reliable from what I have seen overall, however I have not done the ice/snow eval as in this thread on them.

 

[nephewjephew]

@Formidilosus between the mod 22 and the geissele, is one better than the other for general shooting and hunting? Looking at safety (drop/ slam fires) and reliability first and foremost.

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus between the mod 22 and the geissele, is one better than the other for general shooting and hunting? Looking at safety (drop/ slam fires) and reliability first and foremost.

I have not specifically seen them tested side by side to see which is better. Having said that, I would choose the Geissele if it were an option, as it is the just tested and proven R700 trigger.

 

[Axlrod]

Why don't closed-top actions like tikka have dust covers like an AR15?

Probably because manufacturers don't want to ad cost and complexity to them.

I have covered my entire bolt/trigger for many years with a piece of Gore-Tex fabric. This was after a push feed M70 wouldn't fire because of dust inside the bolt.

First i used part of the leg of some waterproof hunting pants, that got tore up on barb wire. Then I bought a piece of the fabric and sewed some Velcro on it, and wrap it around my gun.
I never really thought about ice, until these tests. But a couple years ago I was out 2 days and nights with freezing rain. My gun function correctly, so the homemade cover might have helped.

 

[Formidilosus]

Why don't closed-top actions like tikka have dust covers like an AR15?

Because manufacturers don’t actually shoot and test their guns like most believe that they do.

 

[Choupique]

Right. Itd be pretty easy to completely close the action and trigger up completely with those style actions.

I need to try this whole freeze thing with a new model 70 and an AR15 as a baseline comparison.

 

[Okie_Poke]

The R700 trigger design is compromised from the start- it is an inherent problem that cannot be completely fixed regardless of trigger.

Is the old factory Walker trigger better or worse than the newer factory trigger in this respect?

 

[Formidilosus]

Is the old factory Walker trigger better or worse than the newer factory trigger in this respect?

In ice/snow? Or firing randomly when not pulling the trigger?

 

[Okie_Poke]

In ice/snow? Or firing randomly when not pulling the trigger?

Either or both.

 

[sneaky]

I know I have a Jewell trigger in my Cooper 92 that would probably still be inside trying to warm up from this test lol

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[Formidilosus]

Either or both.

No, the walker trigger really should be replaced. They are as sensitive to debris as any, and more likely to have incidental failures.

 

[Castle Rock]

Because manufacturers don’t actually shoot and test their guns like most believe that they do.

More likely that it has no benefit for most of their customers and it is pretty ugly too

 

[Formidilosus]

More likely that it has no benefit for most of their customers and it is pretty ugly too

Two things can be true at once.

 

[Castle Rock]

Absolutely