Q&A for Minox ZP5 5-25x56mm THLR scope

[Dobermann]

I probably should have kept my lows just to check to see if if they work but the chart on the UM website makes it seem like the bell would hit the barrel with the Lows.

You've caught me on my day off ... so here's mine in UM Tikka Highs in case that's helpful:

 

[Nine Banger]

You've caught me on my day off ... so here's mine in UM Tikka Highs in case that's helpful.

That is, thank you. Especially on a lite barrel.

My 42mm atacr was pretty close with lows.

 

[ID_Matt]

I think I am the black sheep here... ordered the standard MR4 reticle. Likely will be primarily a competition scope. Really wanted to try the THLR but can't convince myself I need a 36 oz hunting scope just yet!

 

[benconfused]

You've caught me on my day off ... so here's mine in UM Tikka Highs in case that's helpful:View attachment 972630

What is your bipod setup? Could you send me a couple pics of different angles (on your day off )

DM is fine if you don't want to clutter this thread up.

 

[5MilesBack]

Really wanted to try the THLR but can't convince myself I need a 36 oz hunting scope just yet!

This thing just keeps getting heavier. Listed at 34oz, now I've seen 35oz, and now 36oz......do I hear 40? The question is......why does the THLR reticle scope weigh almost 5oz more than the MR4 reticle scope (835 grams, which equals ~29.45oz)?

Ya, it's a heavy scope. But I'm already using a 30oz scope so what's a few more ounces.

 

[ID_Matt]

This thing just keeps getting heavier. Listed at 34oz, now I've seen 35oz, and now 36oz......do I hear 40? The question is......why does the THLR reticle scope weigh almost 5oz more than the MR4 reticle scope (835 grams, which equals ~29.45oz)?

Ya, it's a heavy scope. But I'm already using a 30oz scope so what's a few more ounces.

I was confused on the weight as well... everywhere I look seems to say 34-36 oz but the listing said the 835 grams which translates to 29 oz.

 

[Dobermann]

I think they're somewhere in the area of 1.5-2" instead of 3" or more for a sun shade. I sometimes worry about sunshades being so long since it gives any impacts on them a lot of leverage to mess up the objective threads. That concerns me since I tend to just leave my sun shades on my scopes 24/7. But it's probably not an issue.

Scrolling through my Minox ZP5 stash of photos, I found this one by dino67 - I'm guessing this was from the Hide:

 

[Dobermann]

What is your bipod setup? Could you send me a couple pics of different angles (on your day off )

DM is fine if you don't want to clutter this thread up.

Tier One Evolution, 230 mm carbon legs - but the first version, which I think is far superior to the second version. (I may have posted why about this a couple of years ago ... see what the search using username feature turns up.)

Very light; the aluminium leg version is 437 g / 15.4 oz (confirmed weight). I don't seem to have a weight for the carbon version to hand.

I like it as there's no buttons to depress to bring legs down - they just fold down when pulled, which some people think is one of the best aspects of a Harris or TBAC for example.

It's also an 'underslung' design / apex-over-bore design - Marc and Frank had a lot of discussions about the benefits of this on the ES podcast, and Marc has some posts about it (with marked-up images with an Elite Iron) over on the Hide (username Enough Said).

Anyway, Evolution v 1 looks like this:



On a rile, front view:



Stowed - pretty sleek package:

 

[Dobermann]

I was confused on the weight as well... everywhere I look seems to say 34-36 oz but the listing said the 835 grams which translates to 29 oz.

Minox's stated weight is 970g / 34.22 oz. Uncharacteristically, I didn't weigh mine before mounting.

Reburn weighed his at 1014 gr / 35.77 oz about 4.5% higher than stated weight: https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...25x56mm-thlr-scope.253284/page-9#post-3458848

29 oz seems highly unlikely.

(There were apparently some issues with the first versions brought to market, so perhaps there was a parts change-out - or perhaps the stated weight was based on a prototype ... I tend to find that almost nothing I weigh is the same as weights stated by manufacturers ...)

 

[benconfused]

Tier One Evolution, 230 mm carbon legs - but the first version, which I think is far superior to the second version. (I may have posted why about this a couple of years ago ... see what the search using username feature turns up.)

Very light; the aluminium leg version is 437 g / 15.4 oz (confirmed weight). I don't seem to have a weight for the carbon version to hand.

I like it as there's no buttons to depress to bring legs down - they just fold down when pulled, which some people think is one of the best aspects of a Harris or TBAC for example.

It's also an 'underslung' design / apex-over-bore design - Marc and Frank had a lot of discussions about the benefits of this on the ES podcast, and Marc has some posts about it (with marked-up images with an Elite Iron) over on the Hide (username Enough Said).

Anyway, Evolution v 1 looks like this:

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On a rile, front view:

View attachment 972894

Stowed - pretty sleek package:

View attachment 972895

Thanks, do these (gen 1) hit the used market much? Also, whats the difference between the two versions?

 

[Dobermann]

Thanks, do these (gen 1) hit the used market much? Also, whats the difference between the two versions?

I don't think they hit the used market much in the USA; not sure how big it was to begin with. Best bet would likely be WTB posts here and on the Hide.

More of a market in the UK, so some UK forums could work.

As for differences, did you use the search and my username? I think I had a couple of posts about this here a few years ago.

 

[benconfused]

I don't think they hit the used market much in the USA; not sure how big it was to begin with. Best bet would likely be WTB posts here and on the Hide.

More of a market in the UK, so some UK forums could work.

As for differences, did you use the search and my username? I think I had a couple of posts about this here a few years ago.

I just did, thank you!

 

[THLR]

In terms of the THLR reticle being optimised for hunting - we need to remember that it was also possibly designed for military use, with one of the early videos (now deleted) apparently showing the reticle in that application. I've posted about this once or twice, and there's not much about this online. I don't know that Thomas has commented on that here, and I wouldn't expect him to.

It was expressly designed for killing; my intention was never to get it on the market as it is now.
Sure it works.

But I find myself not using the Minox for the same reasons as stated (heavy/bulky) and currently 243 with coppers; it works too.

Not required to produce numbers these days, so range & reach isn't something I'm concerned about anymore. The 6mm coppers require quite precise shot placement; shoot lungs and they run into next week.

Quite a few on the hill there. The closest was shot at 30 and the farthest at 80; that left me with 3 deer. It should have been 5, but the tiny coppers leave very little visible feedback so I double-tapped two (dead) deer just to be sure. I quite enjoy getting on top of them; the open ground and winter makes it even more rewarding.

Currently my reward is the walk and the stalk, as well as hanging clean carcasses in the larder.

 

[rbutcher1234]

It was expressly designed for killing; my intention was never to get it on the market as it is now.
Sure it works.

But I find myself not using the Minox for the same reasons as stated (heavy/bulky) and currently 243 with coppers; it works too.
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Not required to produce numbers these days, so range & reach isn't something I'm concerned about anymore. The 6mm coppers require quite precise shot placement; shoot lungs and they run into next week.
View attachment 975331
Quite a few on the hill there. The closest was shot at 30 and the farthest at 80; that left me with 3 deer. It should have been 5, but the tiny coppers leave very little visible feedback so I double-tapped two (dead) deer just to be sure. I quite enjoy getting on top of them; the open ground and winter makes it even more rewarding.
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Currently my reward is the walk and the stalk, as well as hanging clean carcasses in the larder.
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Thank you for designing a great killing reticle. As hunters, we want to kill as fast and efficiently as we can.

Looks like a great day!

 

[RockAndSage]

my intention was never to get it on the market as it is now.
Sure it works.

Good to see you in here again, thank you for adding what you can.

Regarding the part that I just quoted, I'm trying to understand the meaning, just in case there is some translation subtleties. As I read it, from a native English speaker, there might be a touch of sarcasm, but I doubt that's what's going on and wanted to get clarification. Can you explain what your intention was? And, was your intention not really to get it on the market... or did something change in how it was put on the market, or what exactly was put on the market?

 

[THLR]

Can you explain what your intention was?

Sure.
One seperate MIL/LE and one seperate hunting in a lighter scope. Both with bias/help for the shooter to land on correct decisions.

The Revic RH1 is very close to what I wanted for hunting.

But they wanted to respond to an immediate market demand and the rest is history.

 

[RockAndSage]

Sure.
One seperate MIL/LE and one seperate hunting in a lighter scope. Both with bias/help for the shooter to land on correct decisions.

The Revic RH1 is very close to what I wanted for hunting.

But they wanted to respond to an immediate market demand and the rest is history.

Ah, I think I understand. Hopefully, this new scope that's being worked on by UM/Form, etc, will be a close approximation to the hunting scope you were looking for.

 

[schmidty3]

Sure.
One seperate MIL/LE and one seperate hunting in a lighter scope. Both with bias/help for the shooter to land on correct decisions.

The Revic RH1 is very close to what I wanted for hunting.

But they wanted to respond to an immediate market demand and the rest is history.

Thlr (or others)...

I dug around but didnt find anything relevant.

On the M/SEC portion of the reticle. Is that for measuring moving targets?

If so, how do we implement that info into a shot (thinking of movers in prs or NRL).

And is there any other magic to the 1 mil box other then just another quick reference?

 

[Dobermann]

On the M/SEC portion of the reticle. Is that for measuring moving targets?

If so, how do we implement that info into a shot (thinking of movers in prs or NRL).

And is there any other magic to the 1 mil box other then just another quick reference?

From memory, that's leads for movers. Have you checked out all of Thomas's videos linked in the consolidated list earlier? I *think* it's in there.

The mil box can be used for milling and quickly correcting for windage and elevation (as with any mil-based reticle).

However, you can also also use it in conjunction with the dot to center up on a target or part of a target - ie, put the box around the outer edge if the target is smaller, or place over the area you want to center on if the target is larger. On a higher magnification, this might provide for some more fine-tuned centering than just using the crosshairs/posts.

On this last point, my personal experience has been that this is more intuitive than using circle reticles / the 'doughnut of death', as in the LHRS models. It's comparatively harder to center a round reticle over a round target, as you have to get the concentricity correct - ie, even spacing all the way around the circle, and I found my eye wanted to move around the circle to check. But with the square reticle of the THLR, one glance shows if it's even top-bottom and left-right: intuitively, it feels to me like it's just one step to see the relationship of reticle to target,. But subconsciously or consciously, for circular targets, you're only looking from one point to one point (the circumference of the target at one point to the nearest point of the square, or the edge of the square reticle to the edge of a steel plate, etc). For animals, if you're not using just the posts and the dot, you can use the square to centre up on the broad target zone (such as front half of a broadside presentation).

Hope that makes sense.