PA House Bill 1431 - Repeal ban on Sunday Hunting

[Fullfan]

You sir, beat me to the punch bowl. Paints him in the picture of a lot of PA hunters. Where the motto is, as long as it's good for me, and it's my way, then everyone else can pound sand.

I am not the picture of many Pa hunters, far from it. And why would I care when and if you hunt. Most know they could take vacation from a job, to hunt if they wanted to. They choose not to; their priorities are not in line. But my guess is their wives are in charge and tell them no. So, they burn their vacation to go with the family instead of hunting.

 

[mitchellmountain]

I do have most all the answers, just ask my wife or 34 years.

Raised 3 kids, never missed a sporting event, clear through college. Never missed a day I wanted to hunt. Also managed to take all my kids hunting. All without Sunday hunting here in Pa.

Still no need to hunt Sunday here in Pa.
Western states where time was limited is comparing apples to oranges.

So when time is limited on an out west hunt it's ok for you to hunt Sundays. But back in Pa, no matter the reason for someone to have limited time afield, Sundays are not ok to hunt. That's called situational ethics. Some might even say hypocritical.

 

[kravguy]

I am not the picture of many Pa hunters, far from it. And why would I care when and if you hunt. Most know they could take vacation from a job, to hunt if they wanted to. They choose not to; their priorities are not in line. But my guess is their wives are in charge and tell them no. So, they burn their vacation to go with the family instead of hunting.

Love the subtle dig. My wife couldn't be more supportive of my addiction. As Jim Carrey would say, "my house is a lovely house of death" with shoulder and life sized mounts everywhere. You assume I don't get to hunt, when I am only fighting for more opportunity to do so. Not just for myself, for my children, and for my fellow sportsmen. Last year, I was hunting Utah in Sept for elk, straight to Texas, back out in Utah for elk / mule deer w my son and dad in Oct rifle, cpl days of PA archery, till it was time to head back to Texas in Dec, back to PA for remainder of rifle season, finally a few more days small game, geese, turkey in spring w some of my hs wrestlers. I most likely spent more time a field then you.

I get it tho. You're the best husband, father, hunter. Obviously feel the need to get the last word to feel you've won something. So I'mma let you have it and won't respond to you further. Its only a matter of time before Sunday hunting is passed. I hope you at least stick to your word and don't go.

 

[PA farmboy]

Between working a full time job and farming I am all for being allowed to hunt sundays! Would help raise my chances of getting out to hunt. Shot a 9 point last year on second day of rifle season( a Sunday!).
If someone doesn’t want to hunt that day fine then, stay home, but don’t cry saying no one can hunt that day just because you’re afraid of them getting an opportunity you are otherwise missing out on.

 

[plebe]

So when time is limited on an out west hunt it's ok for you to hunt Sundays. But back in Pa, no matter the reason for someone to have limited time afield, Sundays are not ok to hunt. That's called situational ethics. Some might even say hypocritical.

It’s not situational ethics to hunt whenever legally authorized. Wherein there is a difference in regulations from state to state, it’s not specifically a matter of individual ethics.

And again, Sunday hunting is allowed in PA, selectively. Even for deer. So it’s not strictly a matter of the day of the week.

Insomuch as the seasons of one state are different than another, one state differs from another. Which is a principal premise of maintaining separation rather than singular union.

To which:

IDAHO,
Population: 2Million
Size: 214,314 sq km

PENNSYLVANIA,
Population: 13Million
Size: 116,075 sq km

IDAHO Elk:

2024 Elk All Weapons Combined General Hunt Harvest Statistics | Idaho Fish and Game

The Idaho Hunt Planner provides all information the hunter needs for a successful Idaho hunt: regulations, seasons, drawing odds, harvest statistics, and hunt boundaries in one location.

idfg.idaho.gov

PA ELK:


Do we want to tackle deer, harvests, and license availability? I hope not.

When the people of PA seek to impose a Sunday ban on hunting in Idaho, we’ve got a problem. Whereas the alleged hypocrisy of a PA resident elk hunting on a Sunday in Idaho should hardly be a problem.

 

[CMP70306]

Sounds like you guys need to get your priorities in line. Either Hunting, of family vacations. Also, if you have to travel 2-3 hours to hunt, it sounds like you did not research or plan when you chose where to live.

Life is full of choices, and most do not choose wisely. And the same goes for the career path that was taken. No one is forced to live or work in a specific place.

Still stand by no hunting on Sundays, if you can not get it done M-S maybe you should take up fishing.

I do have most all the answers, just ask my wife or 34 years.

Raised 3 kids, never missed a sporting event, clear through college. Never missed a day I wanted to hunt. Also managed to take all my kids hunting. All without Sunday hunting here in Pa.

Still no need to hunt Sunday here in Pa.
Western states where time was limited is comparing apples to oranges.

Ah yes, the old I didn’t need it so you shouldn’t have it either. And yes we all have choices, I choose to live in the same place my family has for 3 generations now giving us equal access to the mountains for hunting and the shore for fishing plus a career that supports both.

If I took your advice and moved to where I hunt I would end up with less money, less PTO, make fishing trips a 5 hour commute and since I am on the crew of my bosses boat that would mean losing access to offshore fishing opportunities as well. So in other words moving and changing jobs would cost me far more hunting and fishing opportunities than I could hope to gain by searching for greener grass.

I don’t know if the guy said he doesn’t hunt on Sundays. Did he?

It’s already legal to hunt whitetail on 3 designated Sundays in PA. I don’t see anything hypocritical about saying that’s enough, no need to completely rescind the ban.

Bear in mind this bill is to overturn the statutory hunting Sunday ban entirely. Not just for whitetail deer. So it’s quite a bit more far reaching throughout the year than just deer seasons.

I also fail to see a strong correlation between chasing September bulls in Idaho and deer hunting PA. Idaho and PA are sort of dissimilar in so many ways that there’s significant hurdles to connecting those dots.

But as for the traveling to hunt bit, from what you've posted it seems he's got a plan, is willing to
do it, and not complain. So Again, I don't follow the gotcha logic.

It’s entirely hypocritical, what he’s saying is it’s fine for him to hunt the Sundays on his western trip because “time is limited” despite the fact he spent an entire month out there. But when I am limited to traveling to camp for 8 weekend days a month because of work I’m supposed to sit half of them out just because he doesn’t think we should hunt on Sunday in PA. Sounds like he should practice what he preaches and sits out all 4 Sunday’s on that hunt too but he clearly isn’t based on his post which arguably makes it worse.

With the current Sunday’s 2 of the 3 are bear and deer rifle seasons, two of the highest profile hunting days of the year with the highest number of hunters afield. If those aren’t causing issues it’s hard to think the others suddenly would be when they are by their very nature much less intrusive.

As for more far reaching than deer season, you do realize that deer is the most hunted species in PA by a significant margin and everything except a couple weeks of pheasant and spring gobbler takes placed during deer hunting seasons?

 

[plebe]

It’s entirely hypocritical, what he’s saying is it’s fine for him to hunt the Sundays on his western trip because “time is limited” despite the fact he spent an entire month out there. But when I am limited to traveling to camp for 8 weekend days a month because of work I’m supposed to sit half of them out just because he doesn’t think we should hunt on Sunday in PA. Sounds like he should practice what he preaches and sits out all 4 Sunday’s on that hunt too but he clearly isn’t based on his post which arguably makes it worse.

With the current Sunday’s 2 of the 3 are bear and deer rifle seasons, two of the highest profile hunting days of the year with the highest number of hunters afield. If those aren’t causing issues it’s hard to think the others suddenly would be when they are by their very nature much less intrusive.

As for more far reaching than deer season, you do realize that deer is the most hunted species in PA by a significant margin and everything except a couple weeks of pheasant and spring gobbler takes placed during deer hunting seasons?

It’s entirely fine for you to hunt Sundays in Idaho as well. And you are equal in days allowed to hunt in PA, including Sundays, unless of course one amongst you draws a special tag. I don’t see hypocrisy here.

 

[CMP70306]

It’s entirely fine for you to hunt Sundays in Idaho as well. And you are equal in days allowed to hunt in PA, including Sundays, unless of course one amongst you draws a special tag. I don’t see hypocrisy here.

It’s hypocritical because of statements like this.

Still stand by no hunting on Sundays, if you can not get it done M-S maybe you should take up fishing.

Never missed a day I wanted to hunt. Also managed to take all my kids hunting. All without Sunday hunting here in Pa.

Still no need to hunt Sunday here in Pa.
Western states where time was limited is comparing apples to oranges.

So he’s fine talking down to PA hunters for wanting Sunday hunting as he could get all his hunting done in PA without it. But when he takes an entire month to hunt elk in Idaho suddenly it’s fine to take full advantage of those Sunday.

Some how 26 days isn’t enough he needs the full 30? Sounds like he should take up fishing instead.

 

[Fullfan]

It’s hypocritical because of statements like this.







So he’s fine talking down to PA hunters for wanting Sunday hunting as he could get all his hunting done in PA without it. But when he takes an entire month to hunt elk in Idaho suddenly it’s fine to take full advantage of those Sunday.

Some how 26 days isn’t enough he needs the full 30? Sounds like he should take up fishing instead.

No worries fellas, I get to fish in Idaho and Montana. I don’t spend every day chasing elk. But nice to have the option.

And agin no Sunday hunting needed here at home.

 

[plebe]

It’s hypocritical because of statements like this.







So he’s fine talking down to PA hunters for wanting Sunday hunting as he could get all his hunting done in PA without it. But when he takes an entire month to hunt elk in Idaho suddenly it’s fine to take full advantage of those Sunday.

Some how 26 days isn’t enough he needs the full 30? Sounds like he should take up fishing instead.

Lol, I’m not his attorney. But if you’re hung up on those statements, and that’s your case, it’s not nearly enough.

How many days can you hunt deer in PA?

 

[plebe]

No worries fellas, I get to fish in Idaho and Montana. I don’t spend every day chasing elk. But nice to have the option.

And agin no Sunday hunting needed here at home.

You’re a PIA too, lol.

Got to realize some folks are just needier than others. It’s brutal hearing about their hours though, sheesh. Then again, there’s some who do real good and taxing work in service to the community. I tend to support that. And a deer might feed a family awhile, and not all hunters are efficient. I’m for full bellies where it’d otherwise be tight.

Seriously, if you came home from deployment and just had a Sunday to hunt, it wouldn’t be the end of the world for that to be available, right? Then again, the world wouldn’t end if you couldn’t hunt either.

You’re entitled to your thoughts, either way. I’m just a non-res.

 

[svivian]

And why would I care when and if you hunt.

LOL!

 

[mitchellmountain]

It’s not situational ethics to hunt whenever legally authorized. Wherein there is a difference in regulations from state to state, it’s not specifically a matter of individual ethics.

And again, Sunday hunting is allowed in PA, selectively. Even for deer. So it’s not strictly a matter of the day of the week.

Insomuch as the seasons of one state are different than another, one state differs from another. Which is a principal premise of maintaining separation rather than singular union.

To which:

IDAHO,
Population: 2Million
Size: 214,314 sq km

PENNSYLVANIA,
Population: 13Million
Size: 116,075 sq km

IDAHO Elk:

2024 Elk All Weapons Combined General Hunt Harvest Statistics | Idaho Fish and Game

The Idaho Hunt Planner provides all information the hunter needs for a successful Idaho hunt: regulations, seasons, drawing odds, harvest statistics, and hunt boundaries in one location.

idfg.idaho.gov

PA ELK:
View attachment 898000

Do we want to tackle deer, harvests, and license availability? I hope not.

When the people of PA seek to impose a Sunday ban on hunting in Idaho, we’ve got a problem. Whereas the alleged hypocrisy of a PA resident elk hunting on a Sunday in Idaho should hardly be a problem.

I wasn't responding to you, so your argument doesn't apply to the context I was referring to.
Both trolling anyway. Even if you're not, it's going to happen so get over it. No other state in the union has been ruined by this atrocity, some people even travel thousands of miles and pay 1000's of dollars to hunt in those godless states. Apparently for a month at a time.....

 

[roadrunner]

aww forced those poor people to work like they didnt have a choice. Employment is a mutual transaction in case you didnt know that.

Spoken like someone so far removed from reality it really isn't even funny...

Not wanting to and doing it anyway are two completely different things in case you didn't know.

 

[roadrunner]

So your telling me all those stores are closed now and will have to be open just for hunters?

think this is what the kids call an Air ball

Don't know which one you were since you included both replies and I'm really not interested in going back to figure it out...

So I'll respond like you're both - businesses are only open on Sundays because people want to spend money and not because corporate says they have to be. No business will burn money to be open with no revenue coming in, pretty simple and intuitive really.

People who prefer to not work on Sunday because they don't treat themselves to self indulgence work anyway because those who do treat themselves cause them to, because there is a revenue reason and corporate knows it. If it's a private business and they're open, well, those aren't the ones we're talking about, are they.

Stores already closed will remain as such. Stores already open will remain as such because people make them be.

No air ball and really not that difficult to understand. You just don't like it that other people have a differing opinion on Sunday activity/inactivity.

 

[svivian]

Spoken like someone so far removed from reality it really isn't even funny...

Not wanting to and doing it anyway are two completely different things in case you didn't know.

Now the first part is Ironic!!

You keep moving those goals posts

 

[KurtR]

Don't know which one you were since you included both replies and I'm really not interested in going back to figure it out...

So I'll respond like you're both - businesses are only open on Sundays because people want to spend money and not because corporate says they have to be. No business will burn money to be open with no revenue coming in, pretty simple and intuitive really.

People who prefer to not work on Sunday because they don't treat themselves to self indulgence work anyway because those who do treat themselves cause them to, because there is a revenue reason and corporate knows it. If it's a private business and they're open, well, those aren't the ones we're talking about, are they.

Stores already closed will remain as such. Stores already open will remain as such because people make them be.

No air ball and really not that difficult to understand. You just don't like it that other people have a differing opinion on Sunday activity/inactivity.

No you insinuated that stores were going to have to be open because of hunting on Sunday.

Like Shaq shooting free throws another air ball.

I’m not the one telling people what they should be doing on Sundays………

 

[Tater86]

It officially passed the Senate today, but needs to go back to the house before being signed by the Governor. What I think is funny is everyone thinks it could increase their opportunity but in reality in could reduce their days. For example, Rifle season is 13 days long, starts and ends on a Saturday with one Sunday. If they determine it needs to stay at 13 days, adding in the missing Sunday means you are cutting out the starting Saturday or the last Saturday. Don't think it will happen, but it could.....

 

[Dave_S]

I'm just excited at the prospect of more days with my kids for small game.

 

[fap1800]

Back to the House for concurrence, and then off to Shapiro's desk for signature. Done deal. Bout time. PGC Comms Directors even said that it's possible to have additional Sunday opportunity this season.