OSHA has officially released their ETS for Covid

[Bearwhisky]

It's pretty amusing that the anti-vaxx crowd is objecting to this when their orange hero encouraged everyone to get vaccinated and bragged about creating the vaccine. What's truly ironic is that the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are the very ones that created a situation where a mandate had to even be considered.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Somebody get this man a shovel to dig his head out of the sand.


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[menhaden_man]

I didn't think this day would actually come.

https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2

Fascists....

 

[flatlanderhuffandpuff]

"The revolution will not be televised"

Don't expect to see any of the major networks talk about this. Even FOX has already enforced their own mandate. They wouldn't want to look like hypocrites...

Comparing this to a drivers license and car insurance is stupid. You operate a car on public property. When I am at my business I am on private property freely associating with people choosing to be there. If they want me to do something I am not they can leave. Its the same stupid argument that kept the south segregated for so long and barred restaurants from having a smoking section.

That is the beautiful thing about capitalism. If an employer wants to mandate they can, It's their business. If an employee wants to work for someone who mandates, they can change jobs. It's the simplest equation.

"We want to socially engineer you and this is how we will do it. Comply or we will make your life unlivable"

 

[Hatchet Jack]

the ones crying about the mandate are the same ones who kept this virus going through their negligence and bull-headedness.

surprised you can still type with your head that far up .... nevermind. Better wear your orange mask for your colorado hunt just to be safe.

 

[Newtosavage]

surprised you can still type with your head that far up .... nevermind. Better wear your orange mask for your colorado hunt just to be safe.

You took the time to post that? LOL

 

[RyanT26]

I think we should all try to keep this somewhat decent so this stays open. Either that or we can go back to discussing which yeti Cup we would pick if we could only pick one. That thread is riveting by the way

 

[Newtosavage]

"The revolution will not be televised"

Don't expect to see any of the major networks talk about this. Even FOX has already enforced their own mandate. They wouldn't want to look like hypocrites...

Comparing this to a drivers license and car insurance is stupid. You operate a car on public property. When I am at my business I am on private property freely associating with people choosing to be there. If they want me to do something I am not they can leave. Its the same stupid argument that kept the south segregated for so long and barred restaurants from having a smoking section.

That is the beautiful thing about capitalism. If an employer wants to mandate they can, It's their business. If an employee wants to work for someone who mandates, they can change jobs. It's the simplest equation.

"We want to socially engineer you and this is how we will do it. Comply or we will make your life unlivable"

You expose others to the virus you are carrying whether you know you are carrying it or not, on public property.

Your right to privacy ends at my right to health and safety.

But yes, you are correct about freedom. Businesses are free to enforce conditions of employment. Don't like it, go find somewhere else to work. Easy peasy.

 

[Newtosavage]

I think we should all try to keep this somewhat decent so this stays open. Either that or we can go back to discussing which yeti Cup we would pick if we could only pick one. That thread is riveting by the way

I agree.

 

[204guy]

What's the point in arguing with Newt? He's nothing more than a common troll at this point who's getting his jollies off getting you guys fired up.

 

[Newtosavage]

Somebody get this man a shovel to dig his head out of the sand.


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That's a seriously intellectual response.

 

[Newtosavage]

What's the point in arguing with Newt? He's nothing more than a common troll at this point who's getting his jollies off getting you guys fired up.

Nope, just stating my point of view. The fact that some here lose their minds and can't contain themselves is their issue, not mine.

I'll go back to my original point - the same people who are the reason for the mandate (which I don't agree with by the way) are the ones who caused it.

 

[Newtosavage]

"The revolution will not be televised"

Don't expect to see any of the major networks talk about this. Even FOX has already enforced their own mandate. They wouldn't want to look like hypocrites...

Comparing this to a drivers license and car insurance is stupid. You operate a car on public property. When I am at my business I am on private property freely associating with people choosing to be there. If they want me to do something I am not they can leave. Its the same stupid argument that kept the south segregated for so long and barred restaurants from having a smoking section.

That is the beautiful thing about capitalism. If an employer wants to mandate they can, It's their business. If an employee wants to work for someone who mandates, they can change jobs. It's the simplest equation.

"We want to socially engineer you and this is how we will do it. Comply or we will make your life unlivable"

meanwhile in Texas, republicans are banning books. it is an interesting time we're in alright. I think both extremes are fighting to out-extreme each other.

 

[Ratbeetle]

I just don't understand this mentality. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be mean or nasty but our employers require us to provide all sorts of information to them. We have to provide all sorts of information to get our driver's license. We have to get insurance for our vehicles. We have to stop at red lights. Etc., etc. I just don't understand why some people - even those who have been vaccinated - would rather face unemployment and the loss of their homes and way of life than provide their vaccination status.

The other thing some aren't considering here is that the employees who have been vaccinated are entitled to a safe workplace. But the folks who refuse the vaccines or refuse to provide status don't seem to ever consider that.

It's fine. I'm completely astounded that we have so many in our country that have zero problem with this and I can't understand that mentality. Yes, it's true that you have to provide information to your employer when you're hired and different jobs require different levels of personal information. I've held jobs from grocery store bagger to professional corporate management and aside from what was required for my military security clearance, never once provided more than the info required for a basic background check.

I've certainly never been asked personal medical questions as a condition of employment. And let me remind you that this is not all employers choosing to require this on their own...this is being forced on employers by the government. It is by definition, fascism. At this point, it should be obvious to anyone with even a modicum of critical thinking ability, that this is not about covid. It is about forced compliance and I vehemently disagree with it.

If we give in to this, where does it stop. Do you honestly think if people just lay down and let this happen that they won't go after companies with 50 employees next, then 20, then 10...then next it's our kids and mandatory monthly boosters.

Nope, this is my line in the sand. I do not agree with forced vaccine compliance and I won't participate in any process that ostracizes people who have made the personal, medical decision that they feel is best for themselves.

As to the safe working environment, sure people should have a safe working environment. That is what THEIR vaccine is for. If someone is not confident that is enough to protect them, then why did they get it. If it makes you comfortable, get the vaccine and all the boosters...hell get all three shots for all I care...then you can double mask and keep your distance from people. But the government, nor anyone else for that matter, does not have the moral authority to require anyone to inject something into their body against their wishes.

I recently finished a great book. Nothing to do with our country or this situation we find ourselves in right now, but there was part that really struck me talking about how as Americans, the virtue of disobedience has always been vital to the health of our republic.

"Defiance for it's own sake sometimes carries value and meaning, if only because power in all it's forms should not always and without question be handed what it demands."

How far we as a nation have fallen.

 

[Bearwhisky]

That's a seriously intellectual response.

Sorry, I didn’t feel that someone who thinks that because an individual doesnt want to be forced to have risky vaccines injected into their bloodstream also blindly follows the orange man deserved an intellectual response.


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[Ratbeetle]

I keep seeing this argument. I agree, but also feel that sometimes we need to keep reading:
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

You are right.
We have unalienable rights.
We also have put a government in place to secure these rights.
That government is charged by us with balancing our individual rights against the Safety of ALL the governed. Like it or not, our nation was built on the idea of freedom balanced against responsibility. Not just for ourselves, but for our families, friends, and communities.
Why does one person’s right to liberty mean more than another‘s right to life?

You are free to get any vaccine you want, hell you can collect 'em all if you want. But you have zero right to require I get one for your safety. That is what YOUR vaccine is for. We have diametrically opposed views of what it means to be an American. I fall a bit more on this spectrum.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

 

[BuzzH]

Totally true. There must be a shit load of unemployed, well trained, well educated, qualified, VACCINATED folks sitting around just wishing they had they’re one break in life. We all know there are way too many nurses and healthcare workers, making it impossible for newly qualified healthcare workers to find work. And you can substitute the word healthcare worker with teacher, military personnel, and any other essential worker to our society that are short staffed to the extreme. My wife lost her job as a registered nurse from this. As did many others. They are currently hiring healthcare workers from Haiti to replace them. Is that the employment opportunities you speak of? Your comment is insensitive and idiotic, and definitely not something you would say to the face of a husband who has held his wife crying after losing her nursing job after 20 years of taking care of folks like you and your family.

Your wife had a choice, we all have to live with our choices.

 

[BuzzH]

You are free to get any vaccine you want, hell you can collect 'em all if you want. But you have zero right to require I get one for your safety. That is what YOUR vaccine is for. We have diametrically opposed views of what it means to be an American. I fall a bit more on this spectrum.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

And according to the law, employers are allowed to set conditions of employment, including things like requiring safety equipment, mandatory training, certain degrees, and yes vaccine requirements.

 

[flatlanderhuffandpuff]

meanwhile in Texas, republicans are banning books. it is an interesting time we're in alright. I think both extremes are fighting to out-extreme each other.

Yeah from public school libraries you nitwit. Want to stock them with penthouse and the anarchist cookbook?

 

[flatlanderhuffandpuff]

And according to the law, employers are allowed to set conditions of employment, including things like requiring safety equipment, mandatory training, certain degrees, and yes vaccine requirements.

Yes and they should be able to. This is not that.

 

[BuzzH]

Yes and they should be able to. This is not that.

Sure it is...they have a choice also.