Nose ring on mono’s

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Describe extreme. The ring will give a fracture point, but a j4 jacket and a mono share only the color. Everything else is different from hardness, thickness, meplat....Everything.
 
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I’m aware that everything is different between monolithic and jacketed bullets. I guess extreme isn’t the correct use of words. I’m just wondering if/what would happen with an additional fracture point from the nose ring would do.I don’t know if losing a portion of the note would increase the meplat size to allow for better expansion/disruption. It’s more of a curiosity thing to see would happen. I am not a huge fan of shooting monos but I’m forced to so I’m just seeing if I can find a better mouse trap.
Describe extreme. The ring will give a fracture point, but a j4 jacket and a mono share only the color. Everything else is different from hardness, thickness, meplat....Everything.
 

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I have been interested in monos and tested them out but didn't get good accuracy so I abandoned it. f I am going to shoot monos I think what I will try next is bullets meant to have the front fragment and the back tumble. They are already making bullets to do what you need. Look at the controlled chaos or cutting edge bullets. The ones meant for just regular expansion don't get me excited much.
 

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This company is doing something with a groove. My guess is it doesn't something.

NEW! Fracture Control Groove This bullet now features our Fracture Control Groove which provides more consistent, controlled expansion. The all new MAXIMUS™ line is a hybrid between our popular high BC MTH™ bullets and our extreme trauma producing Raptor™ bullets. This truly unique line is the missing piece in the Cutting Edge Bullets product line offering.

Key features of the MAXIMUS:

-Extreme trauma

-High BC


 
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Try this for a better mousetrap.
I’d love to but that’s half as many mousetraps in my budget.
I have been interested in monos and tested them out but didn't get good accuracy so I abandoned it. f I am going to shoot monos I think what I will try next is bullets meant to have the front fragment and the back tumble. They are already making bullets to do what you need. Look at the controlled chaos or cutting edge bullets. The ones meant for just regular expansion don't get me excited much.
I’ve looked at the cutting edge bullets and controlled chaos but was under the impression they were designed to shed petals and have the slug do straight line penetration. I’ll look again. My sample size of one for hammers was much better than the Barnes I’ve used but I’m wired to tinker and my hunting season is over so I have another 8 months at the bench.
This company is doing something with a groove. My guess is it doesn't something.

NEW! Fracture Control Groove This bullet now features our Fracture Control Groove which provides more consistent, controlled expansion. The all new MAXIMUS™ line is a hybrid between our popular high BC MTH™ bullets and our extreme trauma producing Raptor™ bullets. This truly unique line is the missing piece in the Cutting Edge Bullets product line offering.

Key features of the MAXIMUS:

-Extreme trauma

-High BC



Those look interesting and may be worth a shot.
The PVA Cayugas are supposed to tumble similar to the dtac. I picked some up and will test 2025 hunting season and post results.
Good to know. I may try some of those out in my next build
 

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In the last couple months, I have shot or personally witnessed: 3 antelope, a bull elk. 4 hogs, and 2 mule deer shot with monos. Not one has been disappointing. In every case, “ “wound channel” and “tissue upset” or whatever the cool kid term of the day you want to use, has been more than sufficient and animals died quickly and easily. And this year is noting special. The last 15+ have been similar. My experience with monos is not anecdotal, and is enough to call “data” (to use more silly Rokslide parlance).

I don’t normally take much note of bullet damage because I don’t see thee point but a few notables: On the elk, the insides were soup (Hammer) and a chunk of shredded lung the size of your hand fell out. On one mule deer, the exit hole was bigger than a golf ball (Horn CX, pictured), and surrounding tissue damage was significant. On another muley (Hammer) the lower bone of the front shoulder was hit, the bullet petals broke off and they and bone fragments obliterated the vitals. All the others fell over dead with no drama.

It’s a non issue. If they shoot well in your gun, use them. And they don’t need silly modification to work. Just don’t take stupid far shots. That’s it.
 

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In the last couple months, I have shot or personally witnessed: 3 antelope, a bull elk. 4 hogs, and 2 mule deer shot with monos. Not one has been disappointing. In every case, “ “wound channel” and “tissue upset” or whatever the cool kid term of the day you want to use, has been more than sufficient and animals died quickly and easily. And this year is noting special. The last 15+ have been similar. My experience with monos is not anecdotal, and is enough to call “data” (to use more silly Rokslide parlance).

I don’t normally take much note of bullet damage because I don’t see thee point but a few notables: On the elk, the insides were soup (Hammer) and a chunk of shredded lung the size of your hand fell out. On one mule deer, the exit hole was bigger than a golf ball (pictured), and surrounding tissue damage was significant. On another muley (Hammer) the lower bone of the front shoulder was hit, the bullet petals broke off and they and bone fragments obliterated the vitals. All the others fell over dead with no drama.

It’s a non issue. If they shoot well in your gun, use them. And they don’t need silly modification to work. Just don’t take stupid far shots. That’s it.

What hammer bullets did you use and what approximate impact velocity was it? I'm curious about the hammers in 243 on deer and elk but haven't found much info yet
 
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