grainhog
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I counted a combined 7,563 man years of bow hunting in this thread so far
Sounds like and is are two entirely different things and I am neither of them.
I just don't think a lot of the stuff we think is important really is...
I am not sure why people want to appear to be experts, but you seem to be right. As I started my post, there are those who know far more than I and those who know far less. Either way, I bring enough to the table to help beginners. People must fill up with too much testosterone and forget the purpose behind someone creating a post or thread. Whatever you call them - posts or threads - I am old enough to not know what they are called and old enough to have taken enough bulls with archery equipment that my wife tries to give racks away as party favors around the holidays.This has got to be some kind of Rokslide record for posts before the expert argument starts
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I use the total peep attachment which works really well with my Matthews short quiver and tight spot 5 arrow quiver.All good 98 percent of people do. All I am saying is you will shoot better with it off since so many seem to stretch yardage today. I use a PSE HIP QUIVER FROM PROBABLY 1991. It is literally a flat piece of metal with slots for your belt to slide through. It orignally had a bracket a PSE bow quiver mounted to. I have modified mine to use the super short mathews quiver with from a few years ago. Not sure why someone doesnt make a good hip quiver for spot and stalk.
1. Just because your bow will shoot fast and is capable of shooting 90 yards does not mean you can;
2. When you watch a guy take a shot at an elk on You Tube wearing a 6,500 cubic inch pack, a bino harness, and with a quiver hanging off the side of his bow keep in mind he has dramatically decreased his chances of making a good shot or even the same shot he is capable of making in his back yard. Pack weight and the quiver are changing his form and the performance of the bow. If you can, lose the pack when you get in close (I know that it not always possible). I also know that in 33 years of chasing elk, I have NEVER chased one with more than an 1,800 cubic in pack on may back. The Mountain EXO 1800 with K3 frame is my go to these days. Ask yourself do I need that big of a pack. Next, back in the day Chuck Adams and lots of other bowhunters carried a side hip quiver because they knew a quiver full of arrows changed how their bow shot. More importantly, the bow is never as accurate with the quiver on the side or you would see it at national field and 3D archery tournaments. In WFA (formerly FITA when I competed), you don’t see the archers hang one on the side of their recurves either.
3. If you have the kentic energy for good penetration, then yes you can kill elk with mechanicals. I would rather see you use them than fixed heads if you don’t know how or are unwilling to take the time to tune fixed heads. But, just because some guy shot a bull in the guts at 70 yards on You Tube and found it 3 days later does not mean, mechanicals work, he made a good shot, or that he should be proud of himself. In the vide I watched they lost all the meat and no doubt the bull suffered unnecessarily.
Okay all done here. Wish you all the very best luck.
Not sure what you're basing this off of. I live in WA and can't say I have ever seen a hunter wear a hip quiver. They're not even common at the 3D shoots I've been to.All good 98 percent of people do.
I generally do not disagree with Khunter. Lets take a step back and talk about three kinds of elk hunting experience because I am thinking about 1 or 2 and some are thinking about the third. You have elk hunts where the beginner hires a guide and goes on a hunt. This seems to occur more often with eastern hunters. The second is where the novice sets up a base camp and hunts from it each day and it is a DIY hunt. In those situations, people may carry a large pack or just a day pack. My guess is the large pack is used more often because if they packed camp in, they probably did not carry two packs. Now I have done several DIY where we packed our camp in with horses and I would have more gear. The third is what I call true wilderness move and troll for elk. It is where your camp is pretty much on your back every day.Pretty good points overall. In particular the advice to not make long shots.
As to bow mounted quivers and advising to remove the quiver before a shot or not have a bow mounted quiver "...because they knew a quiver full of arrows changed how their bow shot" That seems to presume guys do not have a quiver full of arrows during practice. That is a largely a false premise. I and many do and should sight in and practice with a full quiver same as when hunting so this 'concern' is not valid for that situation. If I removed my quiver just before a shot my bow would would shoot differently just when accuracy counted most, not the other way around.
I would suggest ALWAYS PRACTICE with a full bow mounted quiver if hunting with a bow mounted quiver.
Many guys hunt with 6000" Cu inch packs or similar with no problems. They use the same pack to backpack to a spot and to pack out animals as they use to day hunt. That is irrelevant and not affecting shot accuracy when that pack is carrying no more than what an 1800 Cu inch pack would carry during a day hunt. I would encourage newer bowhunters to carry enough pack to take care of and start packing out that elk effectively on first trip back to camp. For me I do need that big of a pack because is is comfortable and has me ready for successful pack out and not needing two packs in camp. I practice with pack and bino harness on enough to know I shoot just as well with and without them.
Respectfully, suggesting novice hunters drop their packs while stalking is not sound advice. Quite the opposite. Dropping a pack when get in close is a fine recipe for being stranded with no equipment. Strongly recommend against, especially for the novice hunters this thread is pointed towards. Way too easy to get into the heat of the chase and have to move some distance when the initially expected shot does not materialize. Would suggest if you drop your pack when in close, PICK IT UP every time you move positions versus assuming you are only having to move such a small distance you could not possibly lose your pack. I will gladly lose track of an animal before losing track of my pack and hunting essentials.
In 2008, my first elk hunt, I dropped my pack to move in on the bull. Well the bull kept moving and I kept following. The encounter ended abruptly and suddenly I was searching for my pack. Panic had set in as everything looked the same. Took 3 hours of backtracking and trying to retrace my steps before I found it. Time wasted. Valuable lesson learned. In the heat of the moment you don't have time to fumble around and mark the GPS when things are happening so fast.Pretty good points overall. In particular the advice to not make long shots.
As to bow mounted quivers and advising to remove the quiver before a shot or not have a bow mounted quiver "...because they knew a quiver full of arrows changed how their bow shot" That seems to presume guys do not have a quiver full of arrows during practice. That is a largely a false premise. I and many do and should sight in and practice with a full quiver same as when hunting so this 'concern' is not valid for that situation. If I removed my quiver just before a shot my bow would would shoot differently just when accuracy counted most, not the other way around.
I would suggest ALWAYS PRACTICE with a full bow mounted quiver if hunting with a bow mounted quiver.
Many guys hunt with 6000" Cu inch packs or similar with no problems. They use the same pack to backpack to a spot and to pack out animals as they use to day hunt. That is irrelevant and not affecting shot accuracy when that pack is carrying no more than what an 1800 Cu inch pack would carry during a day hunt. I would encourage newer bowhunters to carry enough pack to take care of and start packing out that elk effectively on first trip back to camp. For me I do need that big of a pack because is is comfortable and has me ready for successful pack out and not needing two packs in camp. I practice with pack and bino harness on enough to know I shoot just as well with and without them.
Respectfully, suggesting novice hunters drop their packs while stalking is not sound advice. Quite the opposite. Dropping a pack when get in close is a fine recipe for being stranded with no equipment. Strongly recommend against, especially for the novice hunters this thread is pointed towards. Way too easy to get into the heat of the chase and have to move some distance when the initially expected shot does not materialize. Would suggest if you drop your pack when in close, PICK IT UP every time you move positions versus assuming you are only having to move such a small distance you could not possibly lose your pack. I will gladly lose track of an animal before losing track of my pack and hunting essentials.
West Texas scrub brush, dropped my pack just to stalk over a ridge, didn't go 200 yards and still took me over an hour to find the pack. Never again lol.In 2008, my first elk hunt, I dropped my pack to move in on the bull. Well the bull kept moving and I kept following. The encounter ended abruptly and suddenly I was searching for my pack. Panic had set in as everything looked the same. Took 3 hours of backtracking and trying to retrace my steps before I found it. Time wasted. Valuable lesson learned. In the heat of the moment you don't have time to fumble around and mark the GPS when things are happening so fast.
If target shooting archers in competitions do not use a bow quiver don't they still use a weight attached to the front of their bow? A bow quiver is also a weight attached to the bow but not out front...but does the same job of stabilizing the bow.
I don't see the issue and have shot both ways and my longbows and recurves still hit the same spot. But then I've been shooting the same small bunch of bows for literally decades so there is that.
Shotguns the same, I've owned them for decades and only shoot those and I am accurate.
Its fun to swap around shooting different things but that can mess you up for hunting....unless you shoot a ton and I mean like all the time you are at the range.
So you gotta adapt to what your lifestyle will be and how your chosen weapons fit into that...or become your lifestyle, etc.