Mtn Lion Ban Filed in Colorado

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Hunting is under a full blown assault here in Colorado between this ballot initiative and the Gov’s appointments to the CPW commission. Hunters need to get organized fast and kick off some serious fundraising and outreach efforts. To all those that said it would never happen, just more alarmist conspiracy theories, well you are in denial and dead wrong. I urge everyone to get engaged.

This is the way and also figure out who is the funding source behind these initiatives and boycott/protest them by whatever legal means there is. Really, the gloves need to come off and use the same methods they use. Sportsmen need to get an organization going that is supper aggressive in combating this by using lawsuits, lobbying, and any other methods that can harm these people both politically and financially.

 

[Bearsears]

Whats honestly become most frustrating to me is the amount of hunting companies, influencers, and personalities that are sucking off the teat of hunting and making millions of dollars. They are nowhere to be found in these fights. No influence, no organizing, no money.

2% for conservation is great for habitat but means jack for the ability of future generations to get to hunt.

Its poor stewardship and zero leadership from those that claim to lead our passion.

Take my money but don't stand up for me. Awesome.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Whats honestly become most frustrating to me is the amount of hunting companies, influencers, and personalities that are sucking off the teat of hunting and making millions of dollars. They are nowhere to be found in these fights. No influence, no organizing, no money.

2% for conservation is great for habitat but means jack for the ability of future generations to get to hunt.

Its poor stewardship and zero leadership from those that claim to lead our passion.

Take my money but don't stand up for me. Awesome.

I asked von Benedict to talk about wolves on his podcast. Here’s his response.

 

[Bearsears]

I asked von Benedict to talk about wolves on his podcast. Here’s his response. I crossed him off my list of people to and support. View attachment 606087View attachment 606088

The arrogance in that response. Wow

 

[*zap*]

the agenda advances, constantly.

 

[Rob5589]

I asked von Benedict to talk about wolves on his podcast. Here’s his response. View attachment 606087View attachment 606088

I keep saying it; none of these guys will give a f until the elimination of deer and elk hunting goes on the ballot. When it does watch and see all these fools and their "call to arms" pasted on every platform available.

 

[Arthas]

Ever seen a ballot inniative to maintain the right to hunt or repeal a previous anti hunting measure?

Of course not. Sit on our thumbs and this what happens.

This is one way to look at it. A more logic way to look at it would be not endorse the politicians that are openly hostile towards hunters, gun owners, and generally deplorable people as it has been put. There are certain influencers out there that endorsed the very politicians that are enacting or enabling these policies under the false precept that democrats such as Joe Biden are "good for public land hunters". Frequently, those influencers even have direct contact with high level admission officials to secure their endorsements.

Unfortunately, what being good for public land turns out to entail is a steady flow of tax payer cash into public agencies, public unions like AFL CIO, and conservation lobbyists like Theorodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership and Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. Every one of those organization has outright or tactily endorsed the same democratic politicians that are enacting these anti sportsman policies. The reason for that is simple. All these groups and the hunting influencers promoting them have a financial interest in the publicly funded grants these politicians steal from tax payers in the false promise of conservation. It is a fallacy that simply putting more money in conservation lobbyist hand and public agency hands is good for sportmans.

Unfortunately the model I described is far more beneficial for public agencies, public employees, public unions, hunting influencers looking for podcast content, conservation lobbyists, and NOT the average sportsman left paying for it. The result is predictable. Hunting bans. Gun bans. Restrictions on hunters access to public lands.

What's worse is the public funding these conservation lobbyist and public interest groups say is helping sportsman is actually having 40% skimmed right off the top via the Justice40 initiative and sent back into city blue districts that are hugely anti hunting and the ones pushing the anti hunting and anti gun policy.

But the connection between Justice40 and bad outcomes for hunters and conservation is probably a different conversation since I bet most hunters aren't even aware of what it is.

 

[Arthas]

This is one way to look at it. A more logic way to look at it would be not endorse the politicians that are openly hostile towards hunters, gun owners, and generally deplorable people as it has been put. There are certain influencers out there that endorsed the very politicians that are enacting or enabling these policies under the false precept that democrats such as Joe Biden are "good for public land hunters". Frequently, those influencers even have direct contact with high level admission officials to secure their endorsements.

Unfortunately, what being good for public land turns out to entail is a steady flow of tax payer cash into public agencies, public unions like AFL CIO, and conservation lobbyists like Theorodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership and Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. Every one of those organization has outright or tactily endorsed the same democratic politicians that are enacting these anti sportsman policies. The reason for that is simple. All these groups and the hunting influencers promoting them have a financial interest in the publicly funded grants these politicians steal from tax payers in the false promise of conservation. It is a fallacy that simply putting more money in conservation lobbyist hand and public agency hands is good for sportmans.

Unfortunately the model I described is far more beneficial for public agencies, public employees, public unions, hunting influencers looking for podcast content, conservation lobbyists, and NOT the average sportsman left paying for it. The result is predictable. Hunting bans. Gun bans. Restrictions on hunters access to public lands.

What's worse is the public funding these conservation lobbyist and public interest groups say is helping sportsman is actually having 40% skimmed right off the top via the Justice40 initiative and sent back into city blue districts that are hugely anti hunting and the ones pushing the anti hunting and anti gun policy.

But the connection between Justice40 and bad outcomes for hunters and conservation is probably a different conversation since I bet most hunters aren't even aware of what it is.

I feel the need to clarify something about my post after talking with a friend of mine who saw it. I am not saying public agencies or public interest group do not deserve funding. I am saying there is simply belief amongst many of these organizations and their supporters that more funding means better outcomes. That is not correct. Agencies and public interest groups need adequate funding but more importantly they need to be following leadership goals that align with sportsman. As we are seeing consistently now, many of these groups have foregone the mission to sportsman in favor of the self preservation via public funding route regardless if that means shipping sportsman down the river. We have seen time and again now with things like failure to take stands when it counted on wolves and gun ownership. Failure to take stands and speak out when ballot initiatives like banning predator hunting are put forward. Failure to speak out when the very foundation of conservation is threatened in favor of boosting their own esg scores in pursuit of corporate donation and government grant.

 

[Wrench]

Just banning hounds and bait in Washington did in our deer herds. I used to require a cow catcher to drive around my place because hitting deer was gonna happen.

I haven't seen a whitetail in 2 years now. I haven't seen 10 in 5 years.

 

[CodeMonkey]

Derek Wolfe wouldn't shut up about the cat he killed and here we are.

 

[justin davis]

Saw this on bowsite. If this is true. Maybe we need to get a bunch of signatures and do this

 

[sndmn11]

Saw this on bowsite. If this is true. Maybe we need to get a bunch of signatures and do this

If it's true, sure.

If there is still time to file a ballot initiative, I think the wisest thing would be to meet whatever standards there are for one proposing a year round season just like Utah.

If the middle ground voter has a choice to ban something, make it limitless, or leave it be, they will leave it be and vote no on both.

The second wisest thing would be to get retired CPW biologists and out of state biologists in front of news reporters and prepped for campaign media.

 

[wapitibob]

Colorado is an initiative petition state just like Oregon. That’s how these anti hunting laws get enacted, it’s not the legislature.

 

[DenimChicken]

The real irony for the anti hunting crowd will be when the cats get bad enough the state will pay to have them killed. Lose revenue on tags for the thousands of people who buy one with the hope of a chance encounter but will never actually shoot one, and end up paying someone to kill them anyway.

 

[Arthas]

Colorado is an initiative petition state just like Oregon. That’s how these anti hunting laws get enacted, it’s not the legislature.

Yes i know. You act as though their is no connection between areas becoming increasing democrat run and having petitions like this pass. Please point to the red state where these petitions are being passed. Im waiting i would like to know. So acting like there is not a connection between a politician having a D by their name and the likelihood occurrence of these types petitions is just lying to ourself. This is a Democrat problem I am sorry to tell you.

Having policy put in place by democrat legislatures that steals tax payer money from people on red areas and from conservation programs for example and diverts it directly to the pet projects and coffers of blue area politicians is a direct cause of he rapid growth in power of the anti hunting movement. You and all the other big brains on hunttalk can say its a ballot initiative all you want but the people signing these petitions to ban hunting are from portland and Denver not rural areas.

So for ever dollar for conservation such as wildlife crossings that trcp, bha, and Randy Newberg brag about the Biden Administration giving to state government wildlife agencies or conservation, justice40 means 1 dollar also goes to strengthening the Democrat strongholds in these places that are the ones pushing these petitions and getting anti hunting commissioner in place by the elected officials they elect. 1 dollar for conservation means 1 dollar for Democrat strongholds via justice 40. So when bha or tcrp put out that press release about all he funding they just received, you know blue area that are signing these types of anti hunting petitions just got the same amount of money from that conservation grant. That's policy we have in place right now. So you can say it's a petition all you want but the root cause of the problem isn't that hard to see.

 

[Dirtbag]

If it's true, sure.

If there is still time to file a ballot initiative, I think the wisest thing would be to meet whatever standards there are for one proposing a year round season just like Utah.

If the middle ground voter has a choice to ban something, make it limitless, or leave it be, they will leave it be and vote no on both.

The second wisest thing would be to get retired CPW biologists and out of state biologists in front of news reporters and prepped for campaign media.

Does anyone have a lead as to what work is being done to stop it? I haven't seen any petitions to sign or meetings I need to attend. Maybe @Howl For Wildlife ?

 

[rahby1us]

Approaching the wolf deadline i posted what i thought to be a pretty well written anti wolf reintroduction essay to this group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/360165971432757

I got some hate, but it was like wild obviously uneducated/emotional arguments. I kept cool with my responses and stuck to non-emotional facts. I'm sure the people who didn't like what i wrote doubled down on their pro opinion... but they still only had one vote. This group has 176,000 members. I'd like to think i convinced at least a few people based on real biology or what their tax dollars were being used for. I felt like it was maybe too little too late, but it wasn't that hard to do. Took a few hours of writing/research and then boom- distributed. Maybe some more grassroots stuff like this could have an effect? Just waiting for the vote didn't serve us well last time.

 

[rahby1us]

Approaching the wolf deadline i posted what i thought to be a pretty well written anti wolf reintroduction essay to this group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/360165971432757

I got some hate, but it was like wild obviously uneducated/emotional arguments. I kept cool with my responses and stuck to non-emotional facts. I'm sure the people who didn't like what i wrote doubled down on their pro opinion... but they still only had one vote. This group has 176,000 members. I'd like to think i convinced at least a few people based on real biology or what their tax dollars were being used for. I felt like it was maybe too little too late, but it wasn't that hard to do. Took a few hours of writing/research and then boom- distributed. Maybe some more grassroots stuff like this could have an effect? Just waiting for the vote didn't serve us well last time.

I should add, i'm not nearly in the know enough to put together an essay on the mtn lion issue, but I'm happy to paraphrase and post to some of my groups if someone had a "neutral voter approved" message

 

[Arthas]

Does anyone have a lead as to what work is being done to stop it? I haven't seen any petitions to sign or meetings I need to attend. Maybe @Howl For Wildlife ?

Unfortunately once it gets to the point it is in California, WA, OR the answers become harder and harder. We are now seeing in it CO.

My recommendation to avoid these situations would be to try to stop the issues that creating giant blue voting blocks in big cities that dictate policy to the rest of the state and country. I can point to 2 situations right now that are going to have catastrophic consequences for hunters and western hunters in particular:

1) Diversity equity inclusion initiatives /Environmental justice

2) illegal immigration.

These issues require very little cognitive power or 2nd order thinking to understand the incredibly negative consequences for hunters. Yet some of the biggest organizations or influencers in the hunting space have pushed for more of both of these.

I know these issues won't be solved by the hunting community alone but not endorsing them or not remaining completely silence on them would be a good start.

 

[MJB]

In CA a few years after the ban the federal trappers were killing more lions than the public tags did.
We have had a few humans killed no change so we now SSS......sad