More federal property, formerly huntable, now being sold

[mtwarden]

if you want to "dispose" of landlocked lands, then receive like lands (deeded) in exchange that are not landlocked; we've done that on several tracks in SE Montana and it's a win:win

landowners are happy as they can consolidate their deeded property, recreationists are happy as they now have additional accessible public lands

by all means don't be selling public lands

 

[Mark]

HR621 has been Introduced. There are a few more hurdles to jump over before any land could be sold. Introduced is a long ways away from Became Law.

 

[NoWiser]

My supper last night came from a hunt where we spent at least portions of our time on 3 pieces listed as disposable.

 

[airlocksniffer]

Too funny I bet you're all for compromise and "common sense" when it comes to gun control.

I bet you put ketchup on your meatloaf.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Mark]

I bet you put ketchup on your meatloaf.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Them's fight'n words right there!

 

[xziang]

if you want to "dispose" of landlocked lands, then receive like lands (deeded) in exchange that are not landlocked; we've done that on several tracks in SE Montana and it's a win:win

landowners are happy as they can consolidate their deeded property, recreationists are happy as they now have additional accessible public lands

by all means don't be selling public lands

This was my thinking too as long as their is an equal 'swap' in lands which give the public access to it then it might be worthwhile. HOWEVER I don't have the specific case but I read someplace that a landowner wanted to do this and the land the public would have received was basically worthless where minimal to no game could be found on it. Either way I'm not for any selling and this is the first year I joined Backcountry Hunters and Anglers due to it.

 

[gelton]

How much are you willing to bet that there's coal or oil under some of those lands. GOP is bought & paid for by the Koch Bro. And
don't forget , Trumps Sec. of State Rex Tillerson EXXON CEO receiving medal from Putin. There are already drafts of Exec. Orders
to lift sanctions against Russia. How long do you think it will take Exxon to get in there to cut deals for Oil contracts.

There have already been assessments of minerals, metals and timber of most all of our public lands and you can usually find them if you do some searching to validate your claims. I would refrain from throwing the evil Koch brothers who are the ails to all of our problems into this...and keep in mind, they were totally against a Trump presidency.

Instead I would look at our $20 Trillion in debt, doubled in 8 years by Obama and expecting to grow to $30 Trillion over the next 8 years and start worrying about that instead. A trillion seconds is 31,000 years, it will never be paid back so expect more liquidations in the future.

However we never hear anyone mention that, just that the damn Republicans want to sell our birthright. The knife cuts both ways. But just in case, our beloved Federal Government has pretty much put the resources under that ground on their balance sheets already:

https://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/1230c/report.pdf

 

[1signguy]

I am all for unlocking any mineral or other natural resources on public ground so long as it is balanced in its approach and takes into account recreational and other uses. Whether the above is achieved through land swaps, conditional use or any other means, we should unlock those opportunities to grow the economy and create the jobs. Its far better than sending the money over seas to people who don't have our best interest at heart and in the case of oil... some of that money supports terrorism...

At any rate, this should in no way be a confrontational discussion between those for and against. It should be looked at as an opportunity to enrich all parties (hunters, back packers, off-roaders, business interests...) involved.

I could be wrong- but in the case of Utah, I remember the state wanted to open up a bunch of land to recreation and it was the Obama Government that was against it and arrested a few folks who trespassed... That to me is just crazy. The land should be enjoyed and open to folks in a way that protects it but also provides for the interests of all parties. Balance!

 

[tipsntails7]

I am all for unlocking any mineral or other natural resources on public ground so long as it is balanced in its approach and takes into account recreational and other uses. Whether the above is achieved through land swaps, conditional use or any other means, we should unlock those opportunities to grow the economy and create the jobs. Its far better than sending the money over seas to people who don't have our best interest at heart and in the case of oil... some of that money supports terrorism...

At any rate, this should in no way be a confrontational discussion between those for and against. It should be looked at as an opportunity to enrich all parties (hunters, back packers, off-roaders, business interests...) involved.

I could be wrong- but in the case of Utah, I remember the state wanted to open up a bunch of land to recreation and it was the Obama Government that was against it and arrested a few folks who trespassed... That to me is just crazy. The land should be enjoyed and open to folks in a way that protects it but also provides for the interests of all parties. Balance!

Is it this?

Activists arrested after trespassing incident near tar sands operation | Deseret News

if it is, that is state land not federal.

on a side note, id love to see what a balanced approach looks like with a tar sands operation, apparently it means closing public access.


Or this?

A reluctant rebellion in the Utah desert — High Country News

Certain areas were closed to ATV travel, you are welcome to access on foot though.

 

[Gr8bawana]

It makes no sense to sell anything if your not getting market value for it just keep it. I'd buy some landlocked parcel at pennies on the dollar but bet it'll only be offered up to friends and family

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

The GOP has already changed the rules to make it legal for them to sell the land at a loss and not have to make up the lost revenue somewhere else.

 

[Joe Schmo]

Perhaps we could get a list of people: Randy Newberg, Corey Jacobsen, Shane Mahoney, Steven Rinella. etc who are vehemently against this...perhaps that might have some influence over the "It's no big deal" crowd.

 

[Gr8bawana]

Let's skip "I told you so" and get straight to "Pull Your Head Out and Light Up Your Congressional Reps" to block sale of federal lands. Denial ain't a river in Egypt, my fellow hunting Americans.

I just don't understand how you guys voted these republican politicians into office knowing they already had this agenda in mind. Now you want to put pressure on them not to go forward with it? If it weren't so sad it would be laughable.

 

[Joe Schmo]

This is how...

"They is gonna take our guns pa!!"
.
.
.
.
"Pa, where can we go to shoot our guns??"

 

[elkyinzer]

I just don't understand how you guys voted these republican politicians into office knowing they already had this agenda in mind. Now you want to put pressure on them not to go forward with it? If it weren't so sad it would be laughable.

I just don't get how some of you guys don't understand how democracy works. Voting in elections and lobbying your elected officials to change their mind on specific issues are two entirely separate processes. You don't just vote them in and let them autocratically reign supreme.

Democracy is an ongoing, fluid process not just an election that occurs every November. I think most sportsman identify more with the Republican platform so we are trying to convince them to change their mind on this idiotic idea. What is so complicated about that?

 

[mtwarden]

^ valid point

the chances of agreeing 100% on a candidate or parties platform is near nil

hopefully we are united in doing everything we can to prevent the loss of public access to public lands

 

[Whisky]

I just don't get how some of you guys don't understand how democracy works. Voting in elections and lobbying your elected officials to change their mind on specific issues are two entirely separate processes. You don't just vote them in and let them autocratically reign supreme.

Democracy is an ongoing, fluid process not just an election that occurs every November. I think most sportsman identify more with the Republican platform so we are trying to convince them to change their mind on this idiotic idea. What is so complicated about that?

Bingo was his name O.....I will get active and urge whoever I can to put a stop to these sales. I am not for the sale of public lands, at all.

HOWEVER, I accepted the possibility we would be fighting this fight with the current administration. And in the end a little public land to get my country back from the train wreck path it was heading down is an acceptable risk to me.... Sorry

 

[1signguy]

This is the incident I read about- A reluctant rebellion in the Utah desert — High Country News

We spend 2-3 weeks a year riding through Utah and it was on one of those trips I read of this... Closing previously opened trails is not something I support. I certainly appreciate efforts to protect special areas but then a work around should be found that protects the interest of in this case the off roading public.

We need a balanced approach! For example- I have watched 7k acres of land behind our CA ranch be enjoyed by a few well connected government types for the last two decades. This is land that should be open to the public or used for the intention it was donated... At the very least it should be grazed so it doesn't burn us out next time there is a fire...

Public lands should be used for the greater good of the public... The devil is in the details...

 

[Phil4]

In less time than it takes to skim a thread and reply, you could call your congressmen. If you don't know who your rep is, here is a link to find out. Easy to find contact information from there. Let them know what you think of HR621! Unless you are for it, then kindly don't use that link, thanks!

Find Your Representative * House.gov

 

[Upcountry]

As "checked out" and defeated as I've felt in the past few months with the political landscape and the seemingly inevitable direction it's heading. It's now more important than ever that we continue to, or for many of us simply start to, speak up. I'm with most of you in that I too feel somewhat defeated and have a hard time envisioning that my voice will make a difference. Through that, I've made time to write each of my representatives several times. Each of those times I've simply spoke my mind, elaborated the feelings and sentiments that I share with my friends. If nothing else, this will give me the peace of mind that I didn't just sit by and watch something horrible unfold if this path does continue. I'm a member of some of the more vocal and active organizations that represent what it is we are all on this forum for. I've hosted some of their meetups, and commiserated in the often grim outlook with other members. This isn't a time to curse the system, as it's too late to change that. All we can hope is that we are somewhat able to right the ship in a direction that we each individually deem sustainable, aware, and beneficial for our own interests, and the future interests of those closest to us.

 

[Gr8bawana]

I just don't get how some of you guys don't understand how democracy works. Voting in elections and lobbying your elected officials to change their mind on specific issues are two entirely separate processes. You don't just vote them in and let them autocratically reign supreme.

Democracy is an ongoing, fluid process not just an election that occurs every November. I think most sportsman identify more with the Republican platform so we are trying to convince them to change their mind on this idiotic idea. What is so complicated about that?

That's like telling the fox you're going to let it live in the henhouse and then tryng to convince it not to eat the chickens. Would have been easier to keep it out to begin with.
What's so complicated about that?