Montana joint resolution to transfer federal public land

[grainhog]

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LC2912: Joint house resolution supporting Utah in its land lawsuit against the United States

This is not "fear mongering", it isn't "alarmism", it isn't "overly dramatic". As of now it's "only" a joint resolution, but this is part of a strategic and viable effort to force transfer of federal public lands to states and then inevitably to billionaires and developers.

Irrespective of political affiliation, I believe we need to share broadly, communicate the threat, contact Daines/Sheehy/Zinke/local representatives, attend rallies. Resist.

Federal public land in the west is one of the few assets in which you and the billionaires have an equivalent stake, it's all of ours, and I personally think we need to defend our ownership of these lands like our lives depend on it.

 

[Loo.wii]

let’s start a rokslide PAC to keep public lands public.

These politicians need to remember they work for us. The little guys. Screw the big guy.

 

[elkhunter505]

Already sent something to my state reps. Will be sending something to Daines and Zinke.

 

[fuzzymarindave]

Where does the new administration in DC stand on this issue?

 

[BigDuckHunter]

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LC2912: Joint house resolution supporting Utah in its land lawsuit against the United States

This is not "fear mongering", it isn't "alarmism", it isn't "overly dramatic". As of now it's "only" a joint resolution, but this is part of a strategic and viable effort to force transfer of federal public lands to states and then inevitably to billionaires and developers.

Irrespective of political affiliation, I believe we need to share broadly, communicate the threat, contact Daines/Sheehy/Zinke/local representatives, attend rallies. Resist.

Federal public land in the west is one of the few assets in which you and the billionaires have an equivalent stake, it's all of ours, and I personally think we need to defend our ownership of these lands like our lives depend on it.

I don’t always understand 100% of what I read in bills like this, but I don’t see anywhere that it mentions selling the land to billionaires, or selling the land at all. Where do you see that?

 

[tdhanses]

I don’t always understand 100% of what I read in bills like this, but I don’t see anywhere that it mentions selling the land to billionaires, or selling the land at all. Where do you see that?

Assumptions always when this comes up.

Most of our energy is on public lands fyi.

 

[grainhog]

I don’t always understand 100% of what I read in bills like this, but I don’t see anywhere that it mentions selling the land to billionaires, or selling the land at all. Where do you see that?

I'm not sure if your question is genuine; do you think politicians, who are bought and sold like binoculars on the rokslide classifieds, always make their intentions explicit in legislation? Have you looked into the beliefs of Mike Lee R-UT with whom recent manifestations of this "movement" originated?

 

[HighUintas]

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LC2912: Joint house resolution supporting Utah in its land lawsuit against the United States

This is not "fear mongering", it isn't "alarmism", it isn't "overly dramatic". As of now it's "only" a joint resolution, but this is part of a strategic and viable effort to force transfer of federal public lands to states and then inevitably to billionaires and developers.

Irrespective of political affiliation, I believe we need to share broadly, communicate the threat, contact Daines/Sheehy/Zinke/local representatives, attend rallies. Resist.

Federal public land in the west is one of the few assets in which you and the billionaires have an equivalent stake, it's all of ours, and I personally think we need to defend our ownership of these lands like our lives depend on it.

I'm in Utah. Considering the SC refused to hear their case of trying to sue the feds for public land, how does this bill support Utah?

I was hoping for a brief summary on this bill. Excuse my laziness!

It is concerning to me, especially so since Trump's announcement of the sovereign wealth fund. I think it's a good idea, but he wants it to be the biggest in the world, very quickly. Our public lands are considered (they consider it) to be part of the country's liquidable assets. Burgum.... I wouldn't be surprised if he's up for selling it to the highest bidder or transferring to states. My wife told me selling 20% of it would fully fund it. Not sure how she got that number. There's been some other comments made by various people in the admin that allude to potentially selling pieces of it, but I don't think anyone has explicitly stated it. Opening it all up to mineral, resource, and energy extraction is one thing.... Transferring or selling would be a huuuuge deal.

So, I think it's a good idea to keep an extra watchful eye on everything to do with our public lands now.

 

[Ozarkansas]

I'm in Utah. Considering the SC refused to hear their case of trying to sue the feds for public land, how does this bill support Utah?

I was hoping for a brief summary on this bill. Excuse my laziness!

It is concerning to me, especially so since Trump's announcement of the sovereign wealth fund. I think it's a good idea, but he wants it to be the biggest in the world, very quickly. Our public lands are considered (they consider it) to be part of the country's liquidable assets. Burgum.... I wouldn't be surprised if he's up for selling it to the highest bidder or transferring to states. My wife told me selling 20% of it would fully fund it. Not sure how she got that number. There's been some other comments made by various people in the admin that allude to potentially selling pieces of it, but I don't think anyone has explicitly stated it. Opening it all up to mineral, resource, and energy extraction is one thing.... Transferring or selling would be a huuuuge deal.

So, I think it's a good idea to keep an extra watchful eye on everything to do with our public lands now.

The SC essentially refused Utah’s request to jump all the subordinate courts and go directly to the SC, that doesn’t mean that Utah can’t eventually work that case back up to the SC the normal way

 

[Gila]

I doubt they will be successful because a state cannot invoke eminent domain on federal lands. Utah tried that once before and SCOTUS came back and established Supremacy. However the Feds can invoke eminent domain on state lands, paying market value of course. UTAH POWER & LIGHT CO. v. UNITED STATES.

President Trump has declared a National Energy Emergency by executive order:

Declaring a National Energy Emergency

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50

www.whitehouse.gov

This Energy Emergency executive order gives the President authority to extract and produce energy on any federal lands, state lands and private lands, circumventing any regulatory bodies in the process. By Treaty, the Tribes are not affected by eminent domain. William Pendley suggests re-instating the tribal lands buyback program with funds from the GAOA. Trump 45 EO 3388 makes this possible.

This Energy Emergency also places priority on energy production over any other public use including wildlife management. Sec of the Interior - Doug Bergum has a Secretary Order that props up the President’s EO. My own take is that I seriously doubt that this Administration will let any federal land go that is worthy of producing energy. But then who knows! If the Administration runs into any “road blocks” in other states he could cut a deal with Utah if he thinks it is cost effective to reach his target…You know how President Trump likes to cut deals!

 

[gbflyer]

I am surrounded by a giant, worthless National Park that you cannot see as a visitor unless you are on a cruise. I would turn cartwheels if it were transferred to the state of Alaska so everyone could see it without permits or riding on a buffet barge. I would not be happy if it were private. Public should stay public, state is public.

I guess we all have our reasons.

 

[BigDuckHunter]

I'm not sure if your question is genuine; do you think politicians, who are bought and sold like binoculars on the rokslide classifieds, always make their intentions explicit in legislation? Have you looked into the beliefs of Mike Lee R-UT with whom recent manifestations of this "movement" originated?

Yes my question was genuine. I haven’t seen any indication that states are going to take public lands just so they can sell them to billionaires.

Outside of the few billionaires that would benefit, that would be an incredibly unpopular thing to do, essentially guaranteeing that the politician responsible would be a lame duck.

I think everyone on here wants to keep public lands public. But fear-mongering with unproven theories doesn’t really help us decide how best to protect them. I’m open to the idea that states would manage lands better than the feds. There are definitely plenty of places I’ve been that the feds do a piss-poor job managing.

I’m not trying to fight. I think the best way for us to protect our public lands is by working together. But we also have to speak facts. If we just throw opinions around we will never be able to work together on these things and then we definitely will lose to the billionaires.