Mike Lee back in the news

[Deadspace]

Hasn't the current administration already declared the border as closed? If so, why is any of this necessary?

Because people ignore laws. Just because something’s declared it doesn’t mean people will listen.

Just like when fish and game declare hunting season is closed, criminals ignore that every year and poach whatever they feel like.

 

[EdP]

Having more roads into wilderness areas aren’t going to benefit much wildlife.

I think it does benefit wildlife because the wilderness designation prevents new roads from being put in, one of the things necessary for forest management. Proper forest management enhances the habitat for wildlife, replacing what fires used to accomplish in a totally natural environment. The roads also provide access for hunters.

Not sure why you mentioned “FS are often open to hunting” when so are wilderness areas!

Actually I said NF, but I think we are talking the same thing. I mention it just to make the point that going back to NF without the wilderness designation doesn't take the land out of the public domain or make it unavailable to hunters.

We all wish the FS could do better with timber management to improve habitat but that’s on the damn litigators blocking every effort.

I agree completely, but it is not the fault of the current administration but a long standing problem crossing both republican and democrat administrations.

The Wilderness Act was put in place for a reason.

Yes, in part it was put in place to do the same things you are railing against. The Act prevents putting in new roads to access resources such as timber. If the tree huggers had their way all NF lands in the country would be designated wilderness. In my part of Va we have designated wilderness areas that are not wilderness at all. They consist largely of farmland originally purchased or taken from their rightful owners by eminent domain decades ago to create a public recreation area.

All that said, 100 miles seems absurd for the reasons claimed in the article. 5 or 10 miles strikes me as more reasonable.

 

[COelk89]

Because people ignore laws. Just because something’s declared it doesn’t mean people will listen.

Just like when fish and game declare hunting season is closed, criminals ignore that every year and poach whatever they feel like.

I am not talking about stating that it is illegal to cross the border. I mean the administration has already declared victory, so why are additional measures necessary.

Illegal crossings along U.S.-Mexico border plummet to lowest annual level since 1970

Unlawful crossings on the southern border have hit a 55-year low, according to figures obtained by CBS News — as President Trump cracks down on illegal immigration.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[MTtrout]

for this conversation yes . How many miles ?

I’ve worked along the rugged areas directly on the border, even behind the locked gates that only border patrol and FS have access to. I’m good with the clearcut border strip they have and don’t feel those remote areas are a national security concern. Have you been up there and felt differently? What I am concerned about is UT rep Mike Lee and his self serving claim to fame. Rep. Lee and his cronies are 100% the enemy and not our wilderness areas.

 

[Deadspace]

I am not talking about stating that it is illegal to cross the border. I mean the administration has already declared victory, so why are additional measures necessary.

Illegal crossings along U.S.-Mexico border plummet to lowest annual level since 1970

Unlawful crossings on the southern border have hit a 55-year low, according to figures obtained by CBS News — as President Trump cracks down on illegal immigration.

www.cbsnews.com

I see your point now. Since he has declared victory it does beg the question as to why more is necessary. Personally I think more is because we should be proactive and not reactive in regards to the border but that’s just my opinion.