Meateater sells a controlling stake to anti-gun Democrat?

[jspradley]

I think an issue is that when seemingly competing sides form any kind of alliance, there is the issue of reciprocal credence, and that messes with people. Not saying it shouldn’t, it just does. And it’s a bigger deal to conservatives than liberals. Please read up on your Jonathan Haidt and his moral foundations of the left/right to see why. This is a perfect example of his work.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, do you have any specifics to read by him?

 

[jspradley]

I really like this take. One of the best ways to combat anti 2A folks is to actually expose them to guns so they can get over the intrinsic fear that, in my opinion, fuels most of their nonsense. I've taken a few anti gun folks to the range and they have all, at the very least, softened their stance just by educating themselves more on the topic.

Unfortunately shooters and hunters have traditionally done a piss poor job of outreach, there are too many people on "our team" who think we can exist in a vacuum and that everyone has to "deal with it" when they disagree with us. That sounds great on paper except that attitude is ultimately counterproductive as, like it or not, our way of life exists at the mercy of people who can vote it away in a heartbeat. Civil war 2.0 gun guy fantasy aside of course...

There are a lot of people on the extreme anti-side who just can't be reasoned with, but it's the 80% of folks in the middle who either don't care or are mildly anti- who are the ones we need to do outreach to.

 

[ODB]

I'm not sure what you mean by that, do you have any specifics to read by him?

If two people with competing ideas work together, they in essence boost each other’s positions by the very fact they are working together. This is what’s happening here: rinella works with Chernin and Chernin works with rinella, by doing so, they are (even latently) endorsing the other side. Otherwise, why would you do business? The trick here is that although they seem to be OK with it because it is a business deal, rinella fans are caught up because it seems to support an ideology they are against. Rinella has seemingly given additional credence to l chernins ideas simply by choosing to accept his investment. It’s a very fine line.

Watch Haidts Ted Talk on the moral foundations. It’s good. I’ve read his work for about 8 years now. Very insightful for the open-minded.

 

[twall13]

Yeah but for every penny spent of the Democrats money he’ll get 10 cents in return to fund his causes. I mean he didn’t invest just to spend money or donate to a hunter.

Where can I sign up for that kind of investment. Seriously, I'll take a 900% Return on Investment every day. I know you were just throwing numbers out there but your numbers are incredibly inflated. Even with a decent return on his investment, you can't seriously believe that all of the money he makes is going straight to anti 2nd amendment causes can you? Clearly he has a track record that some money goes to those causes, but it has to be a small portion of what he actually makes from investments. Yes, I get where you are coming from in not wanting to support that on any level, but I can't live my life that way. I've done deals with many individuals and institutions over the years and though it's never come up, I'm positive some of them probably support causes that are opposed to what I care about. Honestly, that doesn't come into consideration at all when negotiating a deal. The deal has to stand on it's own legs. I'm in it to make money, and so are they. What each of us does with the money we make is our business and I can't worry myself about what they are going to do with their money. I do what's best for me, they do what's best for them.

It's been pointed out to some degree, but with all the outrage that Rinella is supporting anti 2nd amendment causes by accepting this investor, don't you think the other side probably feels the same way? Why is this guy that is supposedly so anti 2nd amendment suddenly supporting a hunting platform? They must be outraged! As I see it, this was a business decision by both parties. I won't tell them how to spend their money and they sure better not tell me how to spend mine. That said, I feel like Rinella is doing a lot more good with his money than any harm being caused from the deal.

Take it or leave it, Steve put it out there in his response that he fully expects some people to stop supporting him over this and he is okay with that. I'll continue to enjoy his content and support him until I have reason to do otherwise.

 

[jspradley]

If two people with competing ideas work together, they in essence boost each other’s positions by the very fact they are working together. This is what’s happening here: rinella works with Chernin and Chernin works with rinella, by doing so, they are (even latently) endorsing the other side. Otherwise, why would you do business? The trick here is that although they seem to be OK with it because it is a business deal, rinella fans are caught up because it seems to support an ideology they are against. Rinella has seemingly given additional credence to l chernins ideas simply by choosing to accept his investment. It’s a very fine line.

Watch Haidts Ted Talk on the moral foundations. It’s good. I’ve read his work for about 8 years now. Very insightful for the open-minded.

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. I'll check it out, I'm putting his "The Righteous Mind" on my to-read list just as soon as I finish the book im on. thanks for the recommendation

 

[tdhanses]

Where can I sign up for that kind of investment. Seriously, I'll take a 900% Return on Investment every day. I know you were just throwing numbers out there but your numbers are incredibly inflated. Even with a decent return on his investment, you can't seriously believe that all of the money he makes is going straight to anti 2nd amendment causes can you? Clearly he has a track record that some money goes to those causes, but it has to be a small portion of what he actually makes from investments. Yes, I get where you are coming from in not wanting to support that on any level, but I can't live my life that way. I've done deals with many individuals and institutions over the years and though it's never come up, I'm positive some of them probably support causes that are opposed to what I care about. Honestly, that doesn't come into consideration at all when negotiating a deal. The deal has to stand on it's own legs. I'm in it to make money, and so are they. What each of us does with the money we make is our business and I can't worry myself about what they are going to do with their money. I do what's best for me, they do what's best for them.

It's been pointed out to some degree, but with all the outrage that Rinella is supporting anti 2nd amendment causes by accepting this investor, don't you think the other side probably feels the same way? Why is this guy that is supposedly so anti 2nd amendment suddenly supporting a hunting platform? They must be outraged! As I see it, this was a business decision by both parties. I won't tell them how to spend their money and they sure better not tell me how to spend mine. That said, I feel like Rinella is doing a lot more good with his money than any harm being caused from the deal.

Take it or leave it, Steve put it out there in his response that he fully expects some people to stop supporting him over this and he is okay with that. I'll continue to enjoy his content and support him until I have reason to do otherwise.

Not if your an investor like Buffet . But yeah I just tossed numbers out there for a point. Of course not all profit is going into anti-2a but he’ll have more to put towards that if his investments don’t lose money.

People tend to take a generic point and tear it up into detail

Fact, if he loses money on every investment his personal spending will decrease, if he makes a profit it’ll increase. Who knows where he’ll spend it or not in the end but who cares since he is anti-2a I’m pretty sure he supports a few other causes that don’t align with my views as well if I had to guess.

In the end he is probably an ok dude that has a different opinion then I do. But I don’t have to support anything he invests in if I feel it’ll give him more of a means to reduce my rights. Now we can’t do this for everything but when it comes to entertainment it is easy to make a personal decision on what you’ll support.

I think people forget, all this investment is is an investment in entertaining people, it’s not a need for anyone. There are many plateforms to be entertained on and if we don’t agree with a direction or who profits off entertainment then it’s easy to not support the plate form. This is much more difficult to do with items that are a quality of life need, hard to be picky there.

 

[lyle_destroys]

Why must everything become right vs left...republican vs Democrat.... the quickest ones to align are getting worked as a marionette puppet. Take time to analyze before making this a witch trial over a few people adding fuel to a fabricated ideological fire. Meateater has done as much for hunting as Conor McGregor has done for fighting. People understand our way of life because Steve and his associates.... that’s damn important. You think the Meateater crew would make a decision without first having a lengthy peace pipe pow wow around the campfire? Hell no, Steve is a strategist with the end goal always in the favor of our natural world and our natural way of life.

I have to agree with you strongly here. Very few politicians, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum, have any concern for what average joe wants. But too many people fall into the politics trap and they continue to eat away at our freedoms.

 

[5MilesBack]

Very few politicians, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum, have any concern for what average joe wants. But too many people fall into the politics trap and they continue to eat away at our freedoms.

And that's the problem. If Congress, the President, SCOTUS, and every American did and supported "what's best for the nation as a whole".........we/they wouldn't have much to argue about. But it's all about party, it's all about them, it's all about special interest agendas, it's all about putting illegal immigrants above their own citizens, it's all about beating the "other side". There is no other side. There's what makes the best most logical sense for the good of the nation as a whole..........and then there's traitors.

Politics should never even come into the picture.....ever.

 

[Macintosh]

Im curious what companies out there in the hunting media space DONT have some major investment from a media company that had a board member or major investor who supports the democratic party? Are there any? Im also curious if the folks swearing off meateater because of this have looked into this question.
Seriously, I think if this degree of influence is going to define what I purchase based on only 1 one of the many (often politically conflicting) beliefs I hold dear, I wouldnt be able to spend a dime on anything but owner-operated businesses where I personally know the owner, till the day I die.

 

[jspradley]

Im curious what companies out there in the hunting media space DONT have some major investment from a media company that had a board member or major investor who supports the democratic party? Are there any? Im also curious if the folks swearing off meateater because of this have looked into this question.
Seriously, I think if this degree of influence is going to define what I purchase based on only 1 one of the many (often politically conflicting) beliefs I hold dear, I wouldnt be able to spend a dime on anything but owner-operated businesses where I personally know the owner, till the day I die.

No kidding, I would like to see a list of media investors who don't have some sort of anti-gun ties... probably wouldn't be very long list. lol

 

[IdahoElk]

When money is involved principles have a way of getting compromised.

 

[Rthur]

I really like this take. One of the best ways to combat anti 2A folks is to actually expose them to guns so they can get over the intrinsic fear that, in my opinion, fuels most of their nonsense. I've taken a few anti gun folks to the range and they have all, at the very least, softened their stance just by educating themselves more on the topic.

This is a solid tactic for those in your locale.
Unfortunately a majority of anti's dwell in a sea of blue cities.

R

 

[bsnedeker]

This is a solid tactic for those in your locale.
Unfortunately a majority of anti's dwell in a sea of blue cities.

R

Tell me about it....I live in Minneapolis, a VERY blue city surrounded by an ocean of red.

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[JD619er]

Getting real old listening to a lot of people acting so high and mighty. Better look at your receipts I've decided I won't like you if I find out a single dollar of yours went into the pocket of someone with different opinions. In fact I think I'll start with my family, friends and local business who don't align perfectly with my views. Anarchy I say! From now on we will live off the land and get rid of the damn computers and smart phones we own because you bet your ass most of the things we're spending money on contribute to their liberal agenda!!!!

 

[Dusty2426]

Here’s an idea. Let’s kick this horse one more time. Benchmade knives are a huge supporter of meateater. Benchmade is in a controversy now on helping destroy a lot of guns at their facility (see Instagram post) also yeti is huge sponsor of meateater. We all know hat NRA debacle. I’m not a conspiracy type of guy but there sure is some coincidences that all line up

 

[twall13]

I'm confused, I didn't know anything about the Benchmade controversy until you pointed me to their Instagram post. So you're upset with Benchmade (and Meateater as guilty by association) for helping the local police department fulfill their lawful duties? If they can't legally sell the guns and are required by law to destroy them, what's the big deal?

 

[Dusty2426]

I'm confused, I didn't know anything about the Benchmade controversy until you pointed me to their Instagram post. So you're upset with Benchmade (and Meateater as guilty by association) for helping the local police department fulfill their lawful duties? If they can't legally sell the guns and are required by law to destroy them, what's the big deal?

Not upset at all. America. Do what they want. Just pointing out the coincidences and ties. Grownups can decide for themselves. But why would you let them use your facilities to destroy guns after all the controversy of their high money donations to anti 2a politicians (look that one up also). I’m not screaming boycott. Just provided info and similarities

 

[Huntindog45]

I'm confused, I didn't know anything about the Benchmade controversy until you pointed me to their Instagram post. So you're upset with Benchmade (and Meateater as guilty by association) for helping the local police department fulfill their lawful duties? If they can't legally sell the guns and are required by law to destroy them, what's the big deal?

the recreational outrage by the right is almost as entertaining as the recreational outrage on the left. jsut a lot of snow.

 

[Dusty2426]

the recreational outrage by the right is almost as entertaining as the recreational outrage on the left. jsut a lot of snow.

No outrage at all just providing facts so people can have info to make informed decisions.

 

[Trial153]

the recreational outrage by the right is almost as entertaining as the recreational outrage on the left. jsut a lot of snow.

Agree it's laughable. Especially how quick they are to point it out in other behavior and yet they act the same way.