Matt Rinella Speaks to Pope and Young

[WKR]

I think you missed the point of what was said. Just because something is legal, doesn’t always make it ethically right. I think that is what he is getting at. I get there are different rules for different states. The point was about self restraint, and maybe doing some introspection on what we need vs. what we love doing.

Well said, but I think you're beating a dead horse with this guy

 

[CMF]

I’ll dig up some old research from the first Matt post…yes this by a broad definition is a social media site but it’s not even in the same realm of reach, impact, or function.

Rokslide has 53000 users that came here to talk about hunting and moderated by hunting owners. Policed by many users. Hence the current talk we are having, which is great to have.

Facebook active monthly members are 2.98 Billion owned by people that hate your guts and hunting.

Instagram active monthly members 2 Billion owned by the above company.

Youtube has 218 Million Daily users owned by google.

Obviously social media of all forms is here to stay. That’s where I disagree with Matt at, you have to live in the reality that this isn’t going away. What really needs to be discussed as hunters is how do we use it to strengthen us ?

Rokslide may have 53k users, but that doesn't mean they're the only ones seeing the content. My wife told me today "I was on your forum, I was trying to find out if my pack can be carryon for her flight". It came up in a google search. She's not a user.

Obviously social media of all forms is here to stay. That’s where I disagree with Matt at, you have to live in the reality that this isn’t going away. What really needs to be discussed as hunters is how do we use it to strengthen us ?

I agree, but apparently, it isn't as obvious to some. Use it to strengthen us and put time and effort into things we can affect.

 

[CMF]

You draw the line where guys are killing multiple animals just to get views, likes, and subscribers. And will do anything to reach that goal including breaking laws. (Bowman, mule freak, etc...)

I was referring to drawing the line on giving away meat. How do you put that into a regulation. What does that look like for you?

 

[WKR]

I was referring to drawing the line on giving away meat. How do you put that into a regulation. What does that look like for you?

Isn't it one and the same? Isn't that the reason those guys use to justify shooting excessive amounts of game animals?

The line gets drawn when meat is wasted

 

[Ten Bears]

Rokslide may have 53k users, but that doesn't mean they're the only ones seeing the content. My wife told me today "I was on your forum, I was trying to find out if my pack can be carryon for her flight". It came up in a google search. She's not a user.

I agree, but apparently, it isn't as obvious to some. Use it to strengthen us and put time and effort into things we can affect.

No doubt this site has impact, but it’s a flea on the ass of a really large dog in comparison.

I have to give it to Matt, he raises some valid points and has made me really evaluate my role as a hunter and what I value.

And I have to give to Steve he has been a great ambassador for the outdoors.

I keep waiting for the middle brother Danny to drop his hunting ethos… huntsmartly

 

[CMF]

The line gets drawn when meat is wasted

Agree.

My comment was in response to Idaho potato "Fill your own freezer, maybe some for close family, but a line has to be drawn somewhere."

I don't agree that I have to quit hunting if I have enough meat for myself and my immediate family. If I want to give some to friends or coworkers, or another hunter at the trailhead, etc. I should be able to. I took the comment as we should somehow regulate that.

Tags and licenses are limited by the state.

I don't see how you regulate hunting any further or discern hunting for content, sport, etc from subsistence hunting as long as meat is being utilized and laws are followed. At least not without affecting everyday hunters that give meat away, etc.

 

[ODB]

Sort of a side note that I don't see get brought up in this general conversation very often- there's a lot more people in America nowadays too.

US Population:
1980- 226 million
1990- 250 million
2000- 282 million
2023- 335 million

They're not all living in high rises on the East Coast anymore too.

When I moved to Idaho in 1999 we had 1.2 mil people...2022 it was 1.9mil. That's over a 50% increase. Approx 16% of Idahoans hunt as of 2021. So, 700,000 new people in Idaho since 1999 equals 112,000 new hunters.

 

[CMF]

Are there any organizations that focus solely on increasing public land and access? I know many have irons in the fire, like RMEF for elk access, but what about an organization whose sole focus is to purchase and protect land for public access across the country?
It looks like the 4progeny.org in his slide is doing this, but looking into their website and their first project, it looks like the bang for the buck is not going to be there. They have all kinds of costs associated with maintenance, equipment, and management.

I think we need an org that uses its funds to create the most public land access for each dollar. One that spans across species from ducks to elk and maybe spans outside of hunting to other recreationists. Purchasing easements to unlock landlocked parcels, acquiring land when the price is right, passing legislation to protect it indefinitely, increasing hunting opportunities on existing lands, and any other strategies that increase public land use opportunities.

Land Trust Alliance
The Conservation Fund
Trust for Public Land
The Nature Conservancy

Added links to those above if anyone is interested.
Looking into them, the Conservation Fund looks to be the most hunter friendly and has contributed to land purchases for WMA's. The others while doing great work look like they're into a lot more than just conserving land for public use.

Would people be interested in an organization dedicated to purchasing and conserving land and easements for the public, unlocking landlocked land, etc.?

The idea being it's open for hunting, hiking, etc, the same as any NF or BLM.
Not species-specific or even hunting-specific, but working towards the most acreage/opportunity for the dollar.

 

[4090Sharps]

Added links to those above if anyone is interested.
Looking into them, the Conservation Fund looks to be the most hunter friendly and has contributed to land purchases for WMA's. The others while doing great work look like they're into a lot more than just conserving land for public use.

Would people be interested in an organization dedicated to purchasing and conserving land and easements for the public, unlocking landlocked land, etc.?

The idea being it's open for hunting, hiking, etc, the same as any NF or BLM.
Not species-specific or even hunting-specific, but working towards the most acreage/opportunity for the dollar.

The Open Space Institute does work similar to what you have described, in the Southeast and NY.

 

[Rob5589]

Lots to unpack and think about. Agree with some of what he says, disagree with some. Hunting has been monetized, that isn't changing anytime soon if ever. Started way back with tv shows and vhs tapes. It's morphed/evolved into modern day exposure; social media.

It's not just hunting. My brothers are hard core mountain bikers that travel the US to ride. They have seen an increase in "social media riders." Same with backpacking, off roading, fishing, etc.

 

[Hnthrdr]

When I moved to Idaho in 1999 we had 1.2 mil people...2022 it was 1.9mil. That's over a 50% increase. Approx 16% of Idahoans hunt as of 2021. So, 700,000 new people in Idaho since 1999 equals 112,000 new hunters.

This is the same issue that Co has, we have gone from 2.5ish when I was born to around 6 million residents here. A lot of people move here for the mountains and outdoor opportunities. Has definitely led to some of the crowding issues which at this rate I’m not sure if there will be a slow down. Politicians are pushing for more high density housing up and down the front range

 

[ODB]

Politicians are pushing for more high density housing up and down the front range

Same in Boise.


Stack em up, stack em in,
I came to w$n, battle me that's a sin...


They don't give a damn it's killing what make a place great.

 

[4090Sharps]

Stack em up, stack em in,
I came to w$n, battle me that's a sin...

Thanks for the Friday ear worm

 

[KurtR]

I get the being anti commercialization of hunting, more so than Anti-capitalist. I don’t know maybe those aren’t mutually exclusive. Either way the comment on waterfowl hunting hits home on the Co front range. Grew up duck hunting as my first form of hunting as a kiddo, duck dynasty came and went while I was in highschool, now 15 years later damn near every field, pond, slough, creek and river is leased up by clubs and outfitters… not sure if it’s like this everywhere but the leases are nuts, like 10-20k for some fields for 1 season, not sure what the average duck club is but 2-5 k a season to hunt ducks, usually on second class properties, they save the best ones to guide off of. You can hunt the SWA, but talk about some tough duck hunting, leery birds and races to get to a parking lot hours before shooting light. Not sure what the answer is since it’s up to the owner to lease it or not. More places to public hunt would help but any property with river or lake access come at huge premiums partly because they are offered as hunting properties

From a completely selfish stand point we have it good here in Sodak. My Grandpa was on the board who set in motion the nr waterfowl license program in 1967. He saw where it was going and how the guiding and leasing was along the missouri river at the time and didnt want it to spread the whole state. Pheasants are our cash crop and most people dont care one bit you say ducks or geese and unless some one else has permission go shoot them is the answer. When my Grandma passed i cleaned out the old gun cabinet and found lots of documents and meeting notes from that time and interestingly enough the conversations back then were not that much different than now.

 

[venado mula]

Good for you man. I respect that a lot. Takes a lot to dedicate to one animal, a couple years back I decided I only want to ever harvest mature mule deer bucks, they are a ton of fun to chase, and have incredible instincts, but bucks come secondary to my love of bugling bulls. A close second though.

That's awesome, I respect guys that have a passion and dedicate it to something. I wish you the best in your elk hunting adventures, there are some giant bulls out there.

 

[Idaho_Potato]

Agree.

My comment was in response to Idaho potato "Fill your own freezer, maybe some for close family, but a line has to be drawn somewhere."

I don't agree that I have to quit hunting if I have enough meat for myself and my immediate family. If I want to give some to friends or coworkers, or another hunter at the trailhead, etc. I should be able to. I took the comment as we should somehow regulate that.

Tags and licenses are limited by the state.

I don't see how you regulate hunting any further or discern hunting for content, sport, etc from subsistence hunting as long as meat is being utilized and laws are followed. At least not without affecting everyday hunters that give meat away, etc.

I never said regulate anything. A man can draw a line for himself. Common sense goes a long way, but I don’t have to state that we are in short supply of that commodity in the current social climate. Carry on.

 

[goathunter]

No doubt this site has impact, but it’s a flea on the ass of a really large dog in comparison.

I have to give it to Matt, he raises some valid points and has made me really evaluate my role as a hunter and what I value.

And I have to give to Steve he has been a great ambassador for the outdoors.

I keep waiting for the middle brother Danny to drop his hunting ethos… huntsmartly

I've long wondered about rokslide's impact on hunting.

Big social media doesn't typically have posts with detailed unit info, how to guides for the new hunter, etc. You don't have to be one of the 53K members to read the forum posts, what does the web traffic look like?

How about rokslide offer Matt a platform on this site and ask him to "audit" it? What would he propose be changed to support hunt quietly ideas? That would be interesting

 

[william schmaltz]

Big social media doesn't typically have posts with detailed unit info, how to guides for the new hunter, etc. You don't have to be one of the 53K members to read the forum posts, what does the web traffic look like?

Yeup. How many people watch the YouTube shows or see Instagram posts about some influencer's trip and then type "Kodiak DIY", "Kotzebue Caribou", "Haul Road", "Unit XYZ pronghorn", etc. into their google machine and it takes them right to numerous public Rokslide threads at the top of the results that hand feed them. And then when a place like Kodiak needs to limit tags because of the influx it's all the fault of greedy residents or influencers. How often do we see in the FNG thread someone say "did a google search about (insert tag or animal) and saw the wealth of info here and decided to join." Someone writing up a trip report on RS could very well be what takes Joe Public from interested in a hunt because of seeing an influencer doing it to pulling the trigger because everyday guys on rokslide are doing it and giving them the step by step. I'd say most of the time when I google stuff hunting related, Rokslide is at least one of the top 3 results.

To be clear as a member, I'm not complaining about what RS is or the content or I would show myself the door. I'm just trying to provide perspective to those who are still in denial that they are participating in social media and likely enabling what they view as the problem.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

That’s interesting, don’t see why rockslide couldn’t firewall google randoms from seeing threads. Seems like a win win, rokslide would have more members.

 

[WKR]

That’s interesting, don’t see why rockslide couldn’t firewall google randoms from seeing threads. Seems like a win win, rokslide would have more members.

Thats not a bad idea