Martial Arts Training

[dh.hamilton1]

Who all actively trains a martial art and what do you train?

I trained karate/kick boxing for about 5-6 years in my mid 20s to early 30s then stopped due to work then we had our first kid. Haven’t trained for almost 4 years but bought a stand up bag for home to work strikes and kicks on again.

Now that my son is almost 4 and we have a daughter on the way, I’ve been thinking of getting back into something to also expose my son to. He thinks it funny when I kick the bag in the garage.


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[Wprinkle]

I trained Shotokan for about 3 years, and a couple years of Muay Thai, Now I go to 2 days of BJJ and "kick boxing" its supposed to be Muay Thai but its a very watered down version, in back to back classes...

My son is two and I will have him in either Japanese Jiu-Jitsu or Muay Thai when he is old enough..

 

[madgrad02]

I take some karate/taekwondo classes with the kids (coming up on 7 and 9 yrs old). Figured I was paying to take them and watch, so I started going as well (in my 40s)!

 

[Nine Banger]

My son and I are learning Wado Ryu together.

Our instructors do a great job with classes that are interesting for youth and adults that practice at the same time.

It's been great. I hope you can find a dojo like ours.

 

[dh.hamilton1]

I trained Shotokan for about 3 years, and a couple years of Muay Thai, Now I go to 2 days of BJJ and "kick boxing" its supposed to be Muay Thai but its a very watered down version, in back to back classes...

My son is two and I will have him in either Japanese Jiu-Jitsu or Muay Thai when he is old enough..

Why Japanese jiu jitsu for your son and not Brazilian jiu jitsu?

I understand there is a different but not being a practitioner, I don’t know the specifics.


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[Wprinkle]

Why Japanese jiu jitsu for your son and not Brazilian jiu jitsu?

I understand there is a different but not being a practitioner, I don’t know the specifics.


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So the birds eye view from my understanding. Judo is hyper focused on 1 on 1 stand up fighting portion of Japanese Jiu Jitsu (JJJ). And Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) is Hyper focused in the 1 on 1 grappling portion. Original JJJ was a combo of both and included portions like weapons, multiple people etc. Both Judo and BJJ come from JJJ. And are the competition elements of JJJ. JJJ was developed for warriors not point system competitions. Judo is tradition focused and BJJ is all about lineage.

Training in any martial arts is beneficial IMO. Someone with 12 months training in anything but Bullshito can probably handle 99% of any situations of a non trained person. And its great exercise for us old guys that hate running haha

 

[LCV]

Why Japanese jiu jitsu for your son and not Brazilian jiu jitsu?

I understand there is a different but not being a practitioner, I don’t know the specifics.


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My opinion, you’ll have a hard time finding a JJJ gym teaching anything close to useful. Notice all those mma champs with a JJJ background? Me either.

BJJ/judo, wrestling, boxing, muay thai are all fairly easy to find solid training for in the US.

 

[bozeman]

Not me, but my son (19) started BJJ approx 20 months ago and WOW, the difference. He called this past Sat and stated he had made the college team and was the '1st Rep for the 198lbs class. Very proud. Wished I had started him sooner. My daughter (18) started 4 months ago (hates it, go figure). Our agreement is to finish out the month of March and focus on HS graduation/exams. You can def tell a diff in his build/composition and how he carries himself. Not cocky or arrogant, but def a confidence he never had.

 

[RockAndSage]

Notice all those mma champs with a JJJ background?

Notice all those MMA champs training to survive a multiple-threat encounter, where biting, eye-gouging, finger-breaks, throat strikes, ear removal, and groin smashing are just the norm? Where one "takedown" or fall on concrete and asphalt breaks shoulders, elbows, knees, and skulls?

Because that's what happens in reality - and combat games are just not reality.

MMA is some dangerous stuff, and BJJ is just one slice of that even. But it also gives the same blinded bias to combat capability as gun games like IDPA, USPSA, etc - it's training and perception focus are restricted by rules designed for a game that gives a false sense of competency in real-life encounters.

Competent competitors understand this and look for additional experience and perspective elsewhere, if they actually want street competence. Most don't, and just want to optimize for the game or enjoy a skillset for what it is.

Combat games absolutely have their place - but as part of a broader, integrated approach to capability.

Japanese Jiu-Jitsu and a few other systems are less perverted by gaming rules and blinders, and the false senses of security and capability that instills.

All that said, someone dedicated in a combat gaming system is still going to smoke most randos on the street. Especially if they're aware of their own limitations.

 

[fuzzymarindave]

My local dojo teaches Kenpo. From what I've seen it looks interesting and they have kids classes too. Me not wanting to start contact sports at my age; I'll stick to Tai Chi...

 

[LCV]

Notice all those MMA champs training to survive a multiple-threat encounter, where biting, eye-gouging, finger-breaks, throat strikes, ear removal, and groin smashing are just the norm? Where one "takedown" or fall on concrete and asphalt breaks shoulders, elbows, knees, and skulls?

Because that's what happens in reality - and combat games are just not reality.

MMA is some dangerous stuff, and BJJ is just one slice of that even. But it also gives the same blinded bias to combat capability as gun games like IDPA, USPSA, etc - it's training and perception focus are restricted by rules designed for a game that gives a false sense of competency in real-life encounters.

Competent competitors understand this and look for additional experience and perspective elsewhere, if they actually want street competence. Most don't, and just want to optimize for the game or enjoy a skillset for what it is.

Combat games absolutely have their place - but as part of a broader, integrated approach to capability.

Japanese Jiu-Jitsu and a few other systems are less perverted by gaming rules and blinders, and the false senses of security and capability that instills.

All that said, someone dedicated in a combat gaming system is still going to smoke most randos on the street. Especially if they're aware of their own limitations.

What gym do you train at where they are live sparring with biting and eye gouges? If they aren’t live sparring it’s just larping

 

[RockAndSage]

What gym do you train at where they are live sparring with biting and eye gouges? If they aren’t live sparring it’s just larping

What gun range do you train at where they fire live ammo back at you?

 

[LCV]

What gun range do you train at where they fire live ammo back at you?

I don’t, and wouldn’t claim to be prepared for combat. That’s kind of my point. Why do you think mil/leo have simunition?

 

[RockAndSage]

I don’t, and wouldn’t claim to be prepared for combat. That’s kind of my point. Why do you think mil/leo have simunition?

I just went up and re-read your comment about JJJ, and realize I may have misinterpreted your point - I read it as invalidating JJJ compared to MMA or BJJ being superior. And to be fair, that is usually exactly what people in BJJ and MMA say. Apologies if your point was strictly limited to just finding a JJJ instructor, as I'd definitely agree with that.

BTW, I fully agree with another point you made, about it being LARPing if live sparring isn't happening. 100% true. My core point is that even live sparring can end up having a similar effect as LARPing, if its practitioner isn't tremendously cognizant of how that art/sport is being limited, related to reality. Even simunitions and related force-on-force tools have that problem - without being aware of the limitations of those rounds in mimicking reality, everyone thinks they're behind cover until live rounds start going right through walls. There's virtually zero cover in American homes when most centerfire rounds are flying.

 

[Wprinkle]

I believe I misrepresented my thoughts as well. In general from my observations and experience, martial arts teaches things way more valuable than fighting. Its the discipline, staying physically fit and capable, thinking through stressful painful situations and having the confidence to solve problems. And the reality of going full Chuck Norris on a group of "bad dudes" is BS.. My goal is for me/ my son to know enough to avoid a hit and GTFO. Its the knowledge of how easy it really is to get your butt kicked, and same could be said for concealed carry, it better be life or death situations because you use your CCW or Martial Arts there are finite consequences for everyone involved.

 

[Nine Banger]

I believe I misrepresented my thoughts as well. In general from my observations and experience, martial arts teaches things way more valuable than fighting. It's the discipline, staying physically fit and capable, thinking through stressful painful situations and having the confidence to solve problems. And the reality of going full Chuck Norris on a group of "bad dudes" is BS.. My goal is for me/ my son to know enough to avoid a hit and GTFO. Its the knowledge of how easy it really is to get your butt kicked, and same could be said for concealed carry, it better be life or death situations because you use your CCW or Martial Arts there are finite consequences for everyone involved.

My biggest takeaways have been:

- how to breath and use it to control huge amounts of applied force.

- posture and core strength

 

[Wprinkle]

My biggest takeaways have been:

- how to breath and use it to control huge amounts of applied force.

- posture and core strength

It aggravates me to no end how I will be physically exhausted, completely out of breath, muscles cramping, on the verge of passing out, and the other guy is having a side conversation and ties me into a knot with zero effort lol