I understand, but what I don’t get is why the big push to try to kill animals while flirting with the absolute minimum of a cartridge. I watched my wife shoot a bull 5 times in the chest at 300 yards with a 143 grain ELDX out of a Creedmoor. After about 5 minutes the bull finally fell over and died. I’ve killed many elk with a 7 mag and a 300 WM and never had that happen. I’m sure I could have killed most of them with a 77 grain bullet out of a 223, but I think I’ll stick with a little bigger tool for the job.