Lobbying Wyoming game and fish negatively affecting non-resident elk hunters

[tdhanses]

Musk is working on that...give it time.

So are others but funny you think they’ll care about USFS and BLM lands.

 

[tdhanses]

Why is this a public lands issue? We just gave away 14 billion to another country. Seems like plenty of money floating around to solve social issues without selling federally owned lands off. Besides those lands value continues to grow the longer the government owns them, you know their a finite quantity. Why sell to the Wilks Brothers now when in even just a decade they'll be worth 10x as much?

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Look at out national debt though, do we really have that kind if money to give away?

 

[realunlucky]

Look at out national debt though, do we really have that kind if money to give away?

What makes you confident this sale would be different? Sell all your assets and don't pay your bills and then nobody will loan you any more money to waste on failed social programs.

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[tdhanses]

What makes you confident this sale would be different? Sell all your assets and don't pay your bills and then nobody will loan you any more money to waste on failed social programs.

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These lands don’t generate near the wealth for this nation that they could, it in itself is a social welfare program.

What it comes down to is most nonresidents do not live in states with vast holdings of public lands and they have a large base in the fed gov, yet those that do always ask for support, especially orgs such as BHA and when a politican does try to sell them, they ask nonresidents to plead to their elected officials.

The more hunting becomes a greed trophy sport the more it’s base will erode and the fewer supporters we’ll see.

Those that experience these lands once or if ever will be a hard sell, same goes for the future of hunting.

 

[BuzzH]

Why is this a public lands issue? We just gave away 14 billion to another country. Seems like plenty of money floating around to solve social issues without selling federally owned lands off. Besides those lands value continues to grow the longer the government owns them, you know their a finite quantity. Why sell to the Wilks Brothers now when in even just a decade they'll be worth 10x as much?

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Or why sell them ever when they can generate income and drive economic growth into perpetuity?

Selling makes no sense, fiscally, economically or for future generations.

Only the truly selfish would ever want to squander the birthright of future generations... incredibly short sighted.

 

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[Gerbdog]

Dang, pretty shocked how many people would be willing to sell off our public land.... you may not hunt on it every year.... but its actually there, in huge quantities, to be enjoyed for a relatively low price.... sure the out of state hunting tag is gonna run you some money but if you just wanna go camping with your family? Its available...... to everyone (not just those who own it, or got permission, or paid the trespassing fee?)

My worst nightmare is the selling off of public land... i dont make millions / billions / never will that would be required to purchase a big chunk of land so my grandchildren could ever enjoy the wilderness? Yikes. I dunno. No thanks, for the little guy like me the public land is about the only way i can ever tell a grandchild we will come back here and look for elk, go fly fish, go camping, and the lessons you learn now will be there for you in 40 years when im gone......

Maybe i need to save more money so i can get in on the land rush? Sure hope not.

I get it, its frustrating the out of state tags are getting harder to come by, but as people pointed out... i dont think its the states fault so much as its the popularity of the sport? Demand seems much higher. I know they say people getting into hunting is dropping year over year but... especially since covid hit.... sure seems like the interest in the outdoors and the hunting therein is at an all time high. Thats just my personal evidence, i cant back that up at all.

My brother is a resident in NM and hasnt drawn an elk tag in 7 years..... there is just that much demand even for residents.

 

[tdhanses]

Or why sell them ever when they can generate income and drive economic growth into perpetuity?

Selling makes no sense, fiscally, economically or for future generations.

Only the truly selfish would ever want to squander the birthright of future generations... incredibly short sighted.

If they are so profitable then why doesn’t WY take them over and manage them themselves?

 

[realunlucky]

Dang, pretty shocked how many people would be willing to sell off our public land.... you may not hunt on it every year.... but its actually there, in huge quantities, to be enjoyed for a relatively low price.... sure the out of state hunting tag is gonna run you some money but if you just wanna go camping with your family? Its available...... to everyone (not just those who own it, or got permission, or paid the trespassing fee?)

My worst nightmare is the selling off of public land... i dont make millions / billions / never will that would be required to purchase a big chunk of land so my grandchildren could ever enjoy the wilderness? Yikes. I dunno. No thanks, for the little guy like me the public land is about the only way i can ever tell a grandchild we will come back here and look for elk, go fly fish, go camping, and the lessons you learn now will be there for you in 40 years when im gone......

Maybe i need to save more money so i can get in on the land rush? Sure hope not.

I get it, its frustrating the out of state tags are getting harder to come by, but as people pointed out... i dont think its the states fault so much as its the popularity of the sport? Demand seems much higher. I know they say people getting into hunting is dropping year over year but... especially since covid hit.... sure seems like the interest in the outdoors and the hunting therein is at an all time high. Thats just my personal evidence, i cant back that up at all.

My brother is a resident in NM and hasnt drawn an elk tag in 7 years..... there is just that much demand even for residents.

Only kind of people that want to sell public lands are people that don't live in the west and politicians that personally profit thier sales.



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[BuzzH]

If they are so profitable then why doesn’t WY take them over and manage them themselves?

Public lands support multi- billions in economic impact to the entire country, in all sorts of business sectors.

No reason to change any of that.

 

[sasquatch]

Public lands are the biggest accumulation of undistributed wealth the country has ever seen.

They need to stay public and grow not shrink!


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[BuzzH]

Only kind of people that want to sell public lands are people that don't live in the west and politicians that personally profit thier sales.



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Even those that don't live in the west are staunch supporters of public lands.

I think you are absolutely correct regarding the robber Barron politicians and a handful of their cronies that want to profit from the sale of public lands being the minority that would even consider such foolishness.

What they've realized is that they will be committing political suicide pushing their agenda of greed. That idea has been buried, and rightfully so.

 

[tdhanses]

Public lands support multi- billions in economic impact to the entire country, in all sorts of business sectors.

No reason to change any of that.

Why would that change if sold and privately owned, pretty sure investors would like a return.

 

[tdhanses]

Only kind of people that want to sell public lands are people that don't live in the west and politicians that personally profit thier sales.



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True and would people in the west be willing to pay more to manage these lands since they use them the most? Why not give them to the states to manage as they see fit, they do a great job with wildlife so why not this?

It might be different if each state equally held the same amount of public lands or if federal holding size was based on population size in each state.

 

[BuzzH]

Why would that change if sold and privately owned, pretty sure investors would like a return.

Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer.

Look you're not convincing anyone that selling off public lands is a good idea...mainly because it's simply not.

Most individuals, industries, and businesses that rely on them aren't going to agree either. From local fly shops, to gift shops, hotels, outdoor clothing companies, etc etc etc that thrive because of public lands.

They have an incredible amount of political clout to fight for public lands and they came out in droves to support our public lands from being stolen via the likes of ken Ivory.

You must not have been paying attention, it was great to see broad ranges of businesses, wealthy, middle class, poor and all political persuasions all on the same side of canning public land transfer.

Was awesome to see the vast public support for public lands.

 

[BuzzH]

True and would people in the west be willing to pay more to manage these lands since they use them the most? Why not give them to the states to manage as they see fit, they do a great job with wildlife so why not this?

It might be different if each state equally held the same amount of public lands or if federal holding size was based on population size in each state.

Fire fighting costs would bankrupt states alone...it's all in the wyoming and Utah reports, I suggest reading them and you wouldn't have to ask so many questions. Questions that are easily answered with minimal effort via some basic research.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Private ownership would make it easier to harvest lumber and minerals

Not even close. The BLM doesn’t call every day insisting you dump money into wells that are not viable. The BLM doesn’t insist you build roads, gates and cattle guards that weren’t in the lease agreement. The BLM doesn’t lock you out of a lease on a whim. Private landowners do that stuff, I dealt with it very frequently in OK where almost all land is private. What the BLM does do is insist that your LACT and wellsite metering is accurate so the government gets their cut. That is fair to the taxpayer. BTW, the BLM is cash flow positive because of mineral, hydrocarbon and lumber extraction. Those public lands put money into the coffers.

 

[wapitibob]

Only kind of people that want to sell public lands are people that don't live in the west and politicians that personally profit thier sales.



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And those that don't bother to see how state lands are managed. NM Game dept pays 1 million/year to hunt state land. How the fk are they gonna pay for BLM and national forest? And how are the residents of NM going to keep the land commissioner from trading some of that national forest for a few shopping malls?
Add the other western states and their state land quirks and it easy that selling public lands is a stupid idea.

 

[CoStick]

Fire fighting costs would bankrupt states alone...it's all in the wyoming and Utah reports, I suggest reading them and you wouldn't have to ask so many questions. Questions that are easily answered with minimal effort via some basic research.

WY is a bankrupt state that other states keep viable with federal funding.

 

[bowhunter307]

Non-resident western hunters this is a great post on federal lands. Greatest gift ever bestowed to us(as Americans). I agree .There is a sentence in there " I would just ignore the radical fringe that believe public lands have value only if they get their way on everything to do with them" I am assuming he's talking about that small(but not all) radical fringe group of resident hunters ,lobbying groups who want to limit or completely do away with any non-residents ability to have a small piece of the pie. Times have definitely changed since our country has been blessed with this land. I have no idea what rules were for non-resident hunters were early on with these public lands. I'm sure it wasn't a 100 page synopsis. It's a shame that fringe is doing its best to limit you. Unfortunately they have pushed things to the point where it has become necessary for non -resident western hunter's have to look at ways for the federal government to pressure states with whatever means to hunt

The land may be a federal/public asset but the animals aren't, which is what you all seem to be forgetting. And they aren't going to give a shit about your complaints when the majority of use on these lands by the public isn't hunting.

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