Lobbying Wyoming game and fish negatively affecting non-resident elk hunters

[BuzzH]

Only kind of people that want to sell public lands are people that don't live in the west and politicians that personally profit thier sales.



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Even those that don't live in the west are staunch supporters of public lands.

I think you are absolutely correct regarding the robber Barron politicians and a handful of their cronies that want to profit from the sale of public lands being the minority that would even consider such foolishness.

What they've realized is that they will be committing political suicide pushing their agenda of greed. That idea has been buried, and rightfully so.

 

[tdhanses]

Public lands support multi- billions in economic impact to the entire country, in all sorts of business sectors.

No reason to change any of that.

Why would that change if sold and privately owned, pretty sure investors would like a return.

 

[tdhanses]

Only kind of people that want to sell public lands are people that don't live in the west and politicians that personally profit thier sales.



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True and would people in the west be willing to pay more to manage these lands since they use them the most? Why not give them to the states to manage as they see fit, they do a great job with wildlife so why not this?

It might be different if each state equally held the same amount of public lands or if federal holding size was based on population size in each state.

 

[BuzzH]

Why would that change if sold and privately owned, pretty sure investors would like a return.

Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer.

Look you're not convincing anyone that selling off public lands is a good idea...mainly because it's simply not.

Most individuals, industries, and businesses that rely on them aren't going to agree either. From local fly shops, to gift shops, hotels, outdoor clothing companies, etc etc etc that thrive because of public lands.

They have an incredible amount of political clout to fight for public lands and they came out in droves to support our public lands from being stolen via the likes of ken Ivory.

You must not have been paying attention, it was great to see broad ranges of businesses, wealthy, middle class, poor and all political persuasions all on the same side of canning public land transfer.

Was awesome to see the vast public support for public lands.

 

[BuzzH]

True and would people in the west be willing to pay more to manage these lands since they use them the most? Why not give them to the states to manage as they see fit, they do a great job with wildlife so why not this?

It might be different if each state equally held the same amount of public lands or if federal holding size was based on population size in each state.

Fire fighting costs would bankrupt states alone...it's all in the wyoming and Utah reports, I suggest reading them and you wouldn't have to ask so many questions. Questions that are easily answered with minimal effort via some basic research.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Private ownership would make it easier to harvest lumber and minerals

Not even close. The BLM doesn’t call every day insisting you dump money into wells that are not viable. The BLM doesn’t insist you build roads, gates and cattle guards that weren’t in the lease agreement. The BLM doesn’t lock you out of a lease on a whim. Private landowners do that stuff, I dealt with it very frequently in OK where almost all land is private. What the BLM does do is insist that your LACT and wellsite metering is accurate so the government gets their cut. That is fair to the taxpayer. BTW, the BLM is cash flow positive because of mineral, hydrocarbon and lumber extraction. Those public lands put money into the coffers.

 

[wapitibob]

Only kind of people that want to sell public lands are people that don't live in the west and politicians that personally profit thier sales.



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And those that don't bother to see how state lands are managed. NM Game dept pays 1 million/year to hunt state land. How the fk are they gonna pay for BLM and national forest? And how are the residents of NM going to keep the land commissioner from trading some of that national forest for a few shopping malls?
Add the other western states and their state land quirks and it easy that selling public lands is a stupid idea.

 

[CoStick]

Fire fighting costs would bankrupt states alone...it's all in the wyoming and Utah reports, I suggest reading them and you wouldn't have to ask so many questions. Questions that are easily answered with minimal effort via some basic research.

WY is a bankrupt state that other states keep viable with federal funding.

 

[bowhunter307]

Non-resident western hunters this is a great post on federal lands. Greatest gift ever bestowed to us(as Americans). I agree .There is a sentence in there " I would just ignore the radical fringe that believe public lands have value only if they get their way on everything to do with them" I am assuming he's talking about that small(but not all) radical fringe group of resident hunters ,lobbying groups who want to limit or completely do away with any non-residents ability to have a small piece of the pie. Times have definitely changed since our country has been blessed with this land. I have no idea what rules were for non-resident hunters were early on with these public lands. I'm sure it wasn't a 100 page synopsis. It's a shame that fringe is doing its best to limit you. Unfortunately they have pushed things to the point where it has become necessary for non -resident western hunter's have to look at ways for the federal government to pressure states with whatever means to hunt

The land may be a federal/public asset but the animals aren't, which is what you all seem to be forgetting. And they aren't going to give a shit about your complaints when the majority of use on these lands by the public isn't hunting.

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[BuzzH]

WY is a bankrupt state that other states keep viable with federal funding.

That provides cheap energy in oil, gas, coal, uranium, timber, rare earth minerals, clean air, water, food, etc etc etc to the American Public that live wayyy outside of Wyoming that are benefitting from.

The American public is a huge beneficiary of public lands across the board and for a fact.

Precisely and exactly why they are going to remain public.

 

[CoStick]

That provides cheap energy in oil, gas, coal, uranium, timber, rare earth minerals, clean air, water, food, etc etc etc to the American Public that live wayyy outside of Wyoming that are benefitting from.

The American public is a huge beneficiary of public lands across the board and for a fact.

Precisely and exactly why they are going to remain public.

Please, your state budget is half federal funds. That is basically welfare and you are comfortable biting the hands that feed you.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Please, your state budget is half federal funds. That is basically welfare and you are comfortable biting the hands that feed you.

Those federal funds are more than paid for by the public land leases. Pretty simple, maybe you can think on it a while.

 

[CoStick]

Those federal funds are more than paid for by the public land leases. Pretty simple, maybe you can think on it a while.

Keep telling yourself that, cracks me up. In WY low taxes…..great life, clearly the rest of us are paying for it….

 

[Wyobohunter]

Keep telling yourself that, cracks me up. In WY low taxes…..great life, clearly the rest of us are paying for it….

Do you have experience with extraction leasing on public lands?…
Didn’t think so. Either that or you weren’t paying attention.

I do.

 

[CoStick]

Do you have experience with extraction leasing on public lands?…
Didn’t think so. Either that or you weren’t paying attention.

I do.

I can read a budget and funding.very dependent state that pretends to be independent.

 

[BuzzH]

Please, your state budget is half federal funds. That is basically welfare and you are comfortable biting the hands that feed you.

So it's your contention that Colorado receives zero federal funds? That's funny.

 

[CoStick]

So it's your contention that Colorado receives zero federal funds? That's funny.

Sure they do, they are not reliant on federal aid. WY is dependent on federal AID.

 

[BuzzH]

Sure they do, they are not reliant on federal aid. WY is dependent on federal AID.

Oh yes Colorado absolutely is dependent on federal funds, they take federal funding with both hands, every chance they get.

 

[CoStick]

Oh yes Colorado absolutely is dependent on federal funds, they take federal funding with both hands, every chance they get.

They are in the top 10 of least, WY is in top 10 of most dependent. I believe if we want to influence allocation, it will be done on a national level, not state. Either way, carry on

 

[tdhanses]

Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer.

Look you're not convincing anyone that selling off public lands is a good idea...mainly because it's simply not.

Most individuals, industries, and businesses that rely on them aren't going to agree either. From local fly shops, to gift shops, hotels, outdoor clothing companies, etc etc etc that thrive because of public lands.

They have an incredible amount of political clout to fight for public lands and they came out in droves to support our public lands from being stolen via the likes of ken Ivory.

You must not have been paying attention, it was great to see broad ranges of businesses, wealthy, middle class, poor and all political persuasions all on the same side of canning public land transfer.

Was awesome to see the vast public support for public lands.

I was paying attention and at that time was fully on board with fighting for public lands, with time views can and do change.