kuiu no forum for you

[realunlucky]

I agree that the hilariously unrealistic marketing and "Gear Envy Sucks" shirts make it seem like a company marketing for the douchy guy with too much money who just spent way more money that any of us ever will on a hunting trip to NZ.

This is a great summary

 

[realunlucky]

Colineman your trying to hard no logic with these threads. Just bickering

 

[dotman]

Colineman, I'm not 100% on the SG frame but if you think Kifaru uses a CF frame or stays you need to do some more research. A composite is not CF.

Last I looked at my Kifaru frame the bulk of the composite stays are a type of wood.

 

[realunlucky]

Seems like it would have been a perfect setup for you!?! Don't you just set them up for pictures then grab a hotel? So hardcore

While I found it it interesting he included that in his thread I wouldn't say that summed up his trip. I searched for a similar hardcore thread from you but couldn't find anything do you have a link? Just trying to find context in your argument

 

[jm1607]

IMO they sometime sacrifice too much in the name of weight. Do I want a lightweight tent? Yes, but shouldn't it first perform it's intended function and keep you dry? I would rather have 3.5lbs of tent that is bombproof than 2lbs of tent that doesn't really do anything.

That's 100% how I feel about packs. I would rather have a bombproof pack that weighs a little more (Exo/Kifaru/SG) than one that really doesn't do anything (Kuiu).

 

[dotman]

While I found it it interesting he included that in his thread I wouldn't say that summed up his trip. I searched for a similar hardcore thread from you but couldn't find anything do you have a link? Just trying to find context in your argument

Pretty sure his handle answers your question.

 

[MuleyFever]

Seems like it would have been a perfect setup for you!?! Don't you just set them up for pictures then grab a hotel? So hardcore

Nothing like a good laugh in the morning. Thanks.

 

[Trial153]

The Kuiu forum is an easy fix in that it will be self limiting. Look to any company forum that end up being censored and overly moderated, they all end up the same way. Ghost towns with only an handful of saps that post there with regularity.

 

[ChrisS]

The Kuiu forum is an easy fix in that it will be self limiting. Look to any company forum that end up being censored and overly moderated, they all end up the same way. Ghost towns with only an handful of saps that post there with regularity.

Yeah, I think a forum operated by the company is just bad news. Just allow people to post reviews on items. Kuiu needs to decide if they want to manufacture clothing or be an backcountry hunting destination/store (e.g., selling camp stoves, sleeping pads, boots, etc.) and culture an online community.

The number one issue with Kuiu is lack of inventory and if there's a forum where the majority of posts are asking where their gear is or when they're going to get it, it's just going to be a nightmare to deal with.

 

[COlineman78]

Colineman, I'm not 100% on the SG frame but if you think Kifaru uses a CF frame or stays you need to do some more research. A composite is not CF.

Last I looked at my Kifaru frame the bulk of the composite stays are a type of wood.

From the Duplex Page: Weight: 24" frame 3lbs. 13oz. (carbon fiber stays)

CF is a type of composite. Composite simply means a combination of 2 or more materials, usually a fiber and a resin. Some really strong implementations of CF use a foam core. Kifaru is a perfect way to compare the weight savings of CF as the aluminum stays are 9oz heavier for the short ones. Not sure if they are 7075 or 6061.

 

[tipsntails7]

Carbon fiber is actually not a composite, when you add the resin or any other type of matrix or material it then becomes a carbon composite.

 

[Shrek]

Seems like it would have been a perfect setup for you!?! Don't you just set them up for pictures then grab a hotel? So hardcore

I'm no Bear Grylls. If I'm heading for the motel I don't pretend otherwise. I don't buy into the faux machismo that Kuiu and Bear serve up in heaping portions and Kuiuteers lap up. When I camp I have good stuff and I stay dry. First night in both places I hunted in Montana last fall it poured rain and in the second it blew pretty good too. I was safe and dry in my floorless Sawtooth and WM Kodiak. When I felt like it served me better I hiked out and got a motel room. I'm not clinging to a marketing image of faux machismo like many here. I'm just having fun hunting , meeting great people and learning. Got nothing to prove to myself or anyone else.

 

[dotman]

From the Duplex Page: Weight: 24" frame 3lbs. 13oz. (carbon fiber stays)

CF is a type of composite. Composite simply means a combination of 2 or more materials, usually a fiber and a resin. Some really strong implementations of CF use a foam core. Kifaru is a perfect way to compare the weight savings of CF as the aluminum stays are 9oz heavier for the short ones. Not sure if they are 7075 or 6061.

But like I saiid, Kifaru doesn't have CF stays. They have a composite of which the bulk of the strength and flexibility is from wood or a wood like material. Not sure where you found a description from Kifaru claiming CF as all I've ever seen is ultralight composite.

 

[Floorguy]

But like I saiid, Kifaru doesn't have CF stays. They have a composite of which the bulk of the strength and flexibility is from wood or a wood like material. Not sure where you found a description from Kifaru claiming CF as all I've ever seen is ultralight composite.

I checked for myself because I thought they were listed as composite.

 

[COlineman78]

Colineman your trying to hard no logic with these threads. Just bickering

Yeah, I need to learn who is beyond reason and stop wasting my time trying to a apply logic and reading to an obviously illogical and emotional argument. But as far as why there were problems on the Kuiu forums, this thread is becoming exhibit 1.

 

[Floorguy]

Colineman, I'm not 100% on the SG frame but if you think Kifaru uses a CF frame or stays you need to do some more research. A composite is not CF.

Last I looked at my Kifaru frame the bulk of the composite stays are a type of wood.

Now you can be 100% on Stone Glacier. I also somewhat remember Kurt on this forum talking about how he had helped or been consulting for Kuiu on their first iteration of packs

 

[realunlucky]

Now you can be 100% on Stone Glacier. I also someqhat remember Kurt on this forum talking about how he had helped or been consulting for Kuiu on their first iteration of packs

I have serious doubt Kurt would take credit for being involved with that train wreck even if it was the case

 

[cuerro viejo]

It's just an overpriced Marmot Plasma with a sheep logo on it



I agree with Shrek. The version 1.0 and 2.0 tents have major problems and instead of addressing them they just pretend they don't exist. The packs aren't hunting packs, they're hiking/camping packs. They're great if you aren't going to pack out any meat, but if that's the case just get a Kelty or an Osprey or something.. They're cheaper and have been in business since before I was born



When I dropped $1k in gear and was told it was made in North America, then when it shows up on my door step all the tags say made in China, it's hard not to hate. Especially since that was one of my main deciding factors between Kuiu and other companies at the time

I have both Canadian and toray factory and never had an issue with them. There was an announcement made about it going overseas.

Just curious what hunting clothing do you have that wasn't made over seas? Infact do you have any hunting gear that wasn't sourced in some way from over seas outside of a rifle?

Anyway in the end it's your and my opinion. Might be the only constitutional right we still have... Lol

End result is still more competition breeds better innovation and price points for us the consumer.

A direct to market strategy will always have pit falls when growth is well above the 40% year over year. Exo packs is a perfect example, sales have exceeded mfg capacity, just like Kuiu great product but similar issues. Companies like Sitka, kryptek, first lite etc base their orders of what was pre sold to retailers a year in advance, and pricing is built in with market down money etc.

If people want to hate or need to hate an American based company built for backcountry hunters...so be it.

I did laugh on the Jason hunting comments someone made... Pretty funny... When you consider a hunting company owned by a hunter... If you only knew how much other hunting mfg spent on hunting entertainment... Lol

 

[realunlucky]

I saw it thrown off the cliff and run over by a truck thought this argument was over

 

[Archerm]

Yes but when you go to select the stays when purchasing they are listed as composite. The same with the bikini frame. Carbon fiber is normally used in composite form.

I checked for myself because I thought they were listed as composite.