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[idig4au]

It's just an overpriced Marmot Plasma with a sheep logo on it

And the Marmot Plasma bag is also a very fine bag. Agreed, the Kuiu bags is of the same breed, but is slightly modified in terms of components.

So what exactly is your point? Do you have any first hand experience using either bags or are you just a "subject matter expert"?

 

[tipsntails7]

And the Marmot Plasma bag is also a very fine bag. Agreed, the Kuiu bags is of the same breed, but is slightly modified in terms of components.

So what exactly is your point? Do you have any first hand experience using either bags or are you just a "subject matter expert"?

There bags are nice. I've been in them. I would not buy them over feathered friends or WM. The stretch they have is really nice, I cannot account for durability as I passed it along because it was a bit tight in the shoulders for me.

 

[tipsntails7]

bivouaclarry - I doubt you and I will ever know the answers to those questions. I guess maybe if we had have half the posts on here that he does, it might make some sense, but for now he just sounds like some butthurt little boy who lost his toy to me. Lots of speculation about the Kuiu business with what I'm certain is zero actual knowledge of their sales and customer base.

And regarding the marketing and the catalog, would some of you guys be more impressed if it featured guys drinking beer and road hunting? ;-)

No but don't be a jackass about it either, don't take photos taken out of hunting season and try to pass them off as action shots of a hunt. Don't act like your an ultralight mountain guy and have 30+ pounds of belay gear hanging off you. Stop repelling out of helicopters.

I like Kuiu gear. Besides their packs and tents I wouldn't mind running most of their stuff. These threads are constantly about the people running that company and not about their gear, that in itself should speak volumes.

 

[n2horns]

Kuiu is inventive to a point, they seem to have put a good product out clothing, they did well, very well. They branched off too quickly on bags, tents, packs etc and never again addressed their first issue inventory on clothing. To this day, they are pushing out more and more new products but not putting more clothing inventory on the market which is the issues.

Their tents and sleeping bags seem to be rebadged products (big sky tent example). I love market place competition its stirs the pot and keeps things moving forward with advancements. But don't risk customers and their brand support. I personally would never buy a sleeping bag or tent from Kuiu, nor would I use one if given to me. I believe that those products for my personal belief are products from those that specialize in bags/down like WM, FF, EE and tents I stick with big name and niche makers like TarpTent and iheartgear.

Many companies have good and bad products, I just bought a portable heater from Amazon and I got an opened package, used and retaped box, I tried to correct with selling company without action, Amazon stepped in and problem corrected. I posted good and bad comments about the company, their shipping / product and their customer service. I got several emails the next day, wanting to talk and ensure i was happy. My experience may not be typical with Kuiu, but no follow ups nor have I seen Kuiu in a form answering or sorting out issues from the onset of a complaint, its normally after many post do they react.

 

[William Hanson (live2hunt)]

Aw a good old Shrek vs the kuiuteers thread. Haven't seen one of these in awhile, memories.

 

[realunlucky]

Aw a good old Shrek vs the kuiuteers thread. Haven't seen one of these in awhile, memories.

True train wreck you can't help but watch. Can't last much longer or can it.

 

[mtnclimber]

What problems are the 2nd generation tents having? I'm asking seriously.

also wondering about this ^.

I was disappointed to see them discontinue the tent with no explanation or admitting there was ever a problem. "transparency" at its best.

 

[gmajor]

I did get a kick out of the catalog they sent with my last order. Who rappels off an icefall with all camo gear carrying traditional archery equipment? See a lot of big game on glaciers? My first thought was if I hunted such area's I'd wear $5:00 white painters coveralls. My crew recently spent a night standing around the campfire laughing our asses off each time we turned the page

This x 100!! Man my buddy and I were dying when that catalogue came out! Almost all their catalogues seem to be as epically hilarious. (yes, even to those who pack way in)

For what it's worth I have attack pants, yukon gaiters, and a bino-harness and I think they're all top notch. While I prefer other companies (a wide variety) for my other gear, I appreciate what Kuiu clothing I do own.

 

[OR Archer]

"Yeah well my Dad can beat up your Dad!!" <---This usually sums up a Kuiu thread lol

 

[neverquit]

I never could understand how people developed anamosity toward a brand.

 

[mtnwrunner]

You're making an emotional argument. Shrek usually has some substance. Why do you care that he cares? I appreciate honest feedback about products and companies. And I respect your right to be wrong as I also support you're right to imply Shrek desires a homosexual relationship with Jason however childish that may be. It's kind of the "in" thing anyways.

Shouldn't have had a cup of coffee when I read the above post.........................
Maybe rainbow colored gear would sell???????? Probably couldn't keep it in stock.

I also appreciate feedback on products as well as companies. You can have the best product in the world but if there are integrity or customer service issues, they won't see my business.

Randy

P.S. How bout them Seahawks!

 

[jm1607]

What problems are the 2nd generation tents having? I'm asking seriously.

also wondering about this ^.

I was disappointed to see them discontinue the tent with no explanation or admitting there was ever a problem. "transparency" at its best.

Among other things you pretty much have to be a midget legally to not get wet, not to mention the weight is very misleading. This isn't the only thread like this, there were some on the Kuiu forum. Probably another reason they shut it down

http://www.rokslide.com/forums/showthread.php?29821-Kuiu-Ultra-Star-1P-first-impressions

On a side note, having the 1st gen tents leak like a sieve with no warning was dangerous as hell. Especially if you're out repelling down glaciers and shit

 

[jm1607]

And the Marmot Plasma bag is also a very fine bag. Agreed, the Kuiu bags is of the same breed, but is slightly modified in terms of components.

So what exactly is your point? Do you have any first hand experience using either bags or are you just a "subject matter expert"?

Yes, I've owned a Plasma and seen/felt a Kuiu...

Kuiu just takes other brands and makes a very very slight change, jacks up the price, stamps their logo on it and calls it innovative. Same thing they did with their tents. Something they shouldn't have been done with their packs. We learned over a decade ago carbon fiber won't work as a frame. It's nothing new and innovative. There's a reason they are the only one using one on the market and it's not because of innovation.

As far as their packs go, the weight savings on carbon fiber is not substantial at all. I have an Exo, but I see the benefits of other packs like Kifaru. They are super modular, versatile, and comfortable. What's special about Kuiu besides that they break and dig into your shoulders? I see nothing at all that other brands of packs don't do way better. They're cheap, but if you're on a budget just spend an extra $50 and get an Exo. Only reasons I can see for buying a Kuiu pack are either getting a small 1800 for day trips or shed hunting or buying one because of the name and not doing any research at all. I would be scared to bring any of their packs any of the places that are in the Kuiu photos lol

 

[Shrek]

The whole tent thing was the Kuiuteers problem. The customers didn't understand that the new and innovative part of the sleep system was that the down in the bag is the waterproof part and not the tent. It is redundant to make them both waterproof and since it's expensive and takes strenuous quality control to make a waterproof tent Jason innovated and waterproofed the down. The extensive field testing done by Jason himself that he ran on Fieldtest .01 by Uber Analytics on his trusty Commodore 64 proved it was a foolproof system.

 

[Weekender]

The whole tent thing was the Kuiuteers problem. The customers didn't understand that the new and innovative part of the sleep system was that the down in the bag is the waterproof part and not the tent. It is redundant to make them both waterproof and since it's expensive and takes strenuous quality control to make a waterproof tent Jason innovated and waterproofed the down. The extensive field testing done by Jason himself that he ran on Fieldtest .01 by Uber Analytics on his trusty Commodore 64 proved it was a foolproof system.

Seems like it would have been a perfect setup for you!?! Don't you just set them up for pictures then grab a hotel? So hardcore

 

[airlocksniffer]

I never could understand how people developed anamosity toward a brand.

Exactly. Unless it's your company, who gives a sh!t? Wear what you like. I like First Lite. Doesn't mean it's the best or that you're an idiot if you wear Sitka, Kuiu or some other brand.

That said, I think more complaints with Kuiu has to do with CS and backorders vs the actual quality of the clothing. But I'm sure those folks who are willing to order Kuiu know what they're getting into. And more power to 'em.

 

[dotman]

Kuiu ROCKS!

 

[brewer427]

Seems like it would have been a perfect setup for you!?! Don't you just set them up for pictures then grab a hotel? So hardcore

hahaha now that's funny!!!

 

[PMcGee]

Seems like it would have been a perfect setup for you!?! Don't you just set them up for pictures then grab a hotel? So hardcore

Hahaha

 

[COlineman78]

Yes, I've owned a Plasma and seen/felt a Kuiu...

Kuiu just takes other brands and makes a very very slight change, jacks up the price, stamps their logo on it and calls it innovative. Same thing they did with their tents. Something they shouldn't have been done with their packs. We learned over a decade ago carbon fiber won't work as a frame. It's nothing new and innovative. There's a reason they are the only one using one on the market and it's not because of innovation.

As far as their packs go, the weight savings on carbon fiber is not substantial at all. I have an Exo, but I see the benefits of other packs like Kifaru. They are super modular, versatile, and comfortable. What's special about Kuiu besides that they break and dig into your shoulders? I see nothing at all that other brands of packs don't do way better. They're cheap, but if you're on a budget just spend an extra $50 and get an Exo. Only reasons I can see for buying a Kuiu pack are either getting a small 1800 for day trips or shed hunting or buying one because of the name and not doing any research at all. I would be scared to bring any of their packs any of the places that are in the Kuiu photos lol

I will buy the rebranding argument for the tents and sleeping bags as we all know that the tent is just a rebranded Big Sky and I will buy the Plasma argument since I have seen neither. But the pack argument has no basis in fact whatsoever. What company is it rebranded from? CF shouldn't be used in packs eh, what excuse do you have for SG and Kifaru to also use it? The weight and bulk savings are significant over traditional aluminum and the only way Exo accomplished their similar weight savings was through titanium. Both are great aerospace materials (which I happen to know a lot about) and give you much better shear strengths for a much thinner frame than if you were to try and make an aluminum 7075 or 6061 frame. All 3 are now used as structural components in both aircraft and spacecraft although as Boeing proved in the F-35 competition, CF manufacturing on a large scale is difficult as there can be zero imperfections and even one minor flaw drops the strength to almost zero. When I was researching bags there were only a few cases of broken stays that I was able to find and all were with the original Icon design. CF is an interesting material in that when it fails it doesn't fail catastrophically right away, the resin will crack but the fibers will hold stuff together for a little bit. So people would say "mine broke when I was just tying my shoe", well yes and no... The actual stressing event that produced a crack was probably a trip or two before and the catastrophic failure just occurred. As far as price: the difference is $50-100 (3500 which is 4500 is $500/525 solid/camo and 5200 is $450; 5500 which is 6500 is $550/575 and 7200 is $475) and Kuiu gives you a little more space. While I think that Exo, SG and Kifaru bags are top of the line, I think the Kuiu bags are great for what they are; giving you similar if not the same features for a lesser price. I have neither seen anyone claim nor experienced myself any digging into my shoulder and I have gone over 70lbs with it. I would have possibly considered Exo, but I wanted a large bag and the 5500 still isn't out.

I agree that the hilariously unrealistic marketing and "Gear Envy Sucks" shirts make it seem like a company marketing for the douchy guy with too much money who just spent way more money that any of us ever will on a hunting trip to NZ. And yes they have CS issues and products that certainly aren't worth the money. IMO they sometime sacrifice too much in the name of weight. Do I want a lightweight tent? Yes, but shouldn't it first perform it's intended function and keep you dry? I would rather have 3.5lbs of tent that is bombproof than 2lbs of tent that doesn't really do anything.