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Everyone knows the .22 Hornet AI is where it's at for elk... don't let the man buns invade this sacred realm!
aww man, you're making me feel guilty for having a laugh!this thread already exists, with pages of impressive testimony, if you really are curious about a 22 cal on big animals, plenty of pictures.... there's even a moose with some big busted up bones.
would it be my choice for big critters? no, but i don't hunt elk with a gun, but if all of this stuff was broke down, all of the small cartridge haters should be totally against archery hunting as well, because those little underpowered cartridges look to make a more disruptive wound channel than my arrows do, and reliably break bones that even a heavy arrow will not do reliably.
if folks are having good success with what they choose to use, a bigger cartridge won't make them deader.... if someone experiences poor performance based on their equipment, it's on them to adapt, if they are unwilling to, that same person is gonna have issues with any weapon they use.... you have to care, if you don't, nothing will yield good results.
this mockery thread seems like fishing for validation, like a little support group that needs others to reaffirm your beliefs because your concepts are based on feelings, and you discount results.... you know deep inside that's not a good way to think, but your emotions won't let you accept reality in this particular subject.... you were told by someone you trust that you need a magnum, and you use it even though it's not very fun to shoot, so you put a brake on it, and now you are subject to that same thing you were trying to avoid..... you think you opened up your shot angles with your big magnum, but now you gave up that fleeting opportunity as you don your ear protection
about half of the elk i see killed with a rifle are shot by somewhat inexperienced people, and cartridges too small for many (6.5's, 270, 7mm-08, etc) the other half more experienced people shooting mostly 30 cal variations (one buddy likes his 6.5prc and kills elk with it beyond my capability) it's the same result.... a well shot elk doesn't leave sight, the only rodeos are from poor shooting, the rest are very straightforward.
i have only seen one elk shot that likely would have been different with a bigger rifle, but i think it was mainly a bullet construction thing.... first elk i saw shot, 308 at 150ish yds... knocked the elk down, we went over there and the elk was gone.... the consensus was shoulder with no penetration, but looking back, i think back strap based on the bull's reaction.... if that's the case, cartridge or bullet wouldn't have changed things.
i think the theme is "live and let live" or at least post up some proof of small cartridges failing.... we see plenty of the small cartridge crowds success (proof that it works well) but the folks saying they're too small, all we see is emotions and feelings..... we all hate when our country is run that way, but it seems ok for those same people to act that way on the internet.... arguing facts with feelings.... it's pretty elementary.
if you think small cartridges aren't responsible to use, why not just add something other than feelings as to why? if you can't, why even comment on it? facts and results should trump feelings, and i think we would all agree on that, yet.....
Wow there are so many things wrong with your statement that I probably shouldn't even respond to you, but I will anyway.this thread already exists, with pages of impressive testimony, if you really are curious about a 22 cal on big animals, plenty of pictures.... there's even a moose with some big busted up bones.
would it be my choice for big critters? no, but i don't hunt elk with a gun, but if all of this stuff was broke down, all of the small cartridge haters should be totally against archery hunting as well, because those little underpowered cartridges look to make a more disruptive wound channel than my arrows do, and reliably break bones that even a heavy arrow will not do reliably.
this mockery thread seems like fishing for validation, like a little support group that needs others to reaffirm your beliefs because your concepts are based on feelings, and you discount results.... you know deep inside that's not a good way to think, but your emotions won't let you accept reality in this particular subject.... you were told by someone you trust that you need a magnum, and you use it even though it's not very fun to shoot, so you put a brake on it, and now you are subject to that same thing you were trying to avoid..... you think you opened up your shot angles with your big magnum, but now you gave up that fleeting opportunity as you don your ear protection
if you think small cartridges aren't responsible to use, why not just add something other than feelings as to why? if you can't, why even comment on it? facts and results should trump feelings, and i think we would all agree on that, yet.....
now we're getting somewhere, haha.... actual encounters are where the rubber meets the road to me..... still, one bad encounter vs a lot of good ones on this forum (i'm sure there are more than one) that happens with every weapon and every projectile some percentage of the time.
even if they efficiently kill every single animal they shoot at? why?
I have no problem with guys using a .223 for elk if they know exactly what they're doing, and why. I also have no problem limiting myself to mono's in heavier cartridges because I don't want to eat lead particles.
Did you happen to go read the .223 thread? It's pretty hard to argue with 100's of pictures and testimonials of animals dead on impact with the .223 and sierra tmk.
it's a mockery thread to the 243 thread, a new to be possible elk hunter asking about a 243.... again, lots of testimony of good results, with all of the big cartridge guys saying it's not enough..... with no actual reasoning or stories why they think that.
yes, you need to keep that safety bubble around you. that's probably a lot easier than actually elaborating. you do you.
Sweet this ridiculousness is helping me dial in my ignore list
Those dead critters are all crisis actors paid by Form's dark money investors.
