IDFG PROPOSAL RAISING NONRESIDENT FEES, REDUCING TAGS FOR OUT OF STATE HUNTERS

[sneaky]

The NR numbers haven't changed significantly because the NR quota has stayed at 12,815 for nearly that entire time span. The herds can only handle so much pressure, once that threshold is reached something has to give. Right now IDFG is deciding to prioritize residents. This proposal does not automatically reduce NR tag quotas but it does spread them out over the entire state, although lower NR numbers will likely result. Right now a lot NR pressure is concentrated in a handful of zones, establishing quotas for all zones will just spread people out. Zones with better elk densities will sell out first and late comers will get the less desirable areas.

As a side note for those who say that NR dollars are the saviors of western state game agency budgets:
12,815 NR paying $571.50 (the current fee+ license) equals $7,323,772.50.
100,000 residents paying $52.50 (current fee + license) equals, $5,250,000.
A difference of $2,073,772.50
If every resident paid an additional $20.74 per elk tag we could replace NR dollars.


And with the increase:
12,815 NR paying $833.25 (the proposed new fee+ license) equals $10,678,098.75. Although the reason for the fee increase is because fewer tags are expected to sell.
100,000 residents paying $52.50 (current fee + license) equals, $5,250,000.
A difference of $5,428,098.75
If every resident paid an additional $54.28 per elk tag we could replace NR dollars.

In either example I would be willing to pay the increase to resident tag prices.

The last time they raised hunting license prices, which was the first in almost 20 years, people moaned and complained about 5 bucks. They aren't gonna pay an extra 50.

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[Customweld]

Interesting but, there has to be more to it than that. Otherwise, why not just pressure the state to increase the resident fees to make up the difference and ban non resident hunting altogether?

There has been at least one recent attempt to raise resident fees. A lot of folks think that IFG can just wave their arms and raise fees. Unfortunately , fee increases have to go before the Idaho Legislature. The last fee increase request was met with a bunch of riders from large landowning legislators to sell LAP tags and introduce tag auctions. IFG eventually pulled that request due to sportsmen pressure against the riders.

 

[sneaky]

Yes, any fee increases to offset NR revenue are gonna have riders attached for landowner tags, auction tags, and most likely preference points for controlled hunts. Be VERY CAREFUL what you wish for. Legislators only see $$$.

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[jspradley]

The last time they raised hunting license prices, which was the first in almost 20 years, people moaned and complained about 5 bucks. They aren't gonna pay an extra 50.

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Too bad. Prices increase over time. It's about time hunters grew up juuusssstt a little bit.

 

[idelkslayer]

There has been at least one recent attempt to raise resident fees. A lot of folks think that IFG can just wave their arms and raise fees. Unfortunately , fee increases have to go before the Idaho Legislature. The last fee increase request was met with a bunch of riders from large landowning legislators to sell LAP tags and introduce tag auctions. IFG eventually pulled that request due to sportsmen pressure against the riders.

I remember that fiasco and IDFG made the right call to withdraw their request rather than cave in to the Legislators demands.

They did get a Resident fee increase in 2017 in conjunction with the "Price Lock" idea. Elk tags went up $6 and hunting licenses went up $3. I wish it had been more. And I also remember all the bellyaching that went on the previous time a price increase was proposed. All the complaining that a $5 increase would make hunting a rich man's sport and "how do I pay for the increase on my tag and my kids tags". I'm sorry but if an additional $100 per year on all the tags and licenses for you and your kids is too much then you have bigger problems.

I don't mean to say that we should raise resident fees $50, but at current fees it would only cost residents $10 more for us to be paying more than 50% (a majority) of the fees to IDFG. Under the new price proposal it would be $27. (this is for elk tags only)

 

[idelkslayer]

Interesting but, there has to be more to it than that. Otherwise, why not just pressure the state to increase the resident fees to make up the difference and ban non resident hunting altogether?

Because residents are cheapskates and bellyache about fee increases even more than non residents.

 

[jspradley]

Because residents are cheapskates and bellyache about fee increases even more than non residents.

Yup, that kills me.

I can kill 5 whitetails, 2 muleys, and 4 turkeys in TX for $25 and I guarantee if there was even a hint of raising $5 that it would be the end of the world from the crowd that pays thousands and thousands of dollars to shoot petting zoo critters.

Complaining about resident tag prices like it's what makes hunting a rich man's game is like saying no one can afford to fly because of the cost of food on the plane.

When you complain about the pittance residents pay for tags you are complaining about paying your part in funding the greatest system of wildlife management and recover that has ever existed on the planet and likely every will exist.

 

[wind gypsy]

There has been at least one recent attempt to raise resident fees. A lot of folks think that IFG can just wave their arms and raise fees. Unfortunately , fee increases have to go before the Idaho Legislature. The last fee increase request was met with a bunch of riders from large landowning legislators to sell LAP tags and introduce tag auctions. IFG eventually pulled that request due to sportsmen pressure against the riders.

Well that seems commendable, keep the Utah out of Idaho.

 

[idahohikker]

Well that seems commendable, keep the Utah out of Idaho.

You can say keep Utah out of Idaho again and again and it doesn’t get old.

 

[DAOutfitters208]

Because residents are cheapskates and bellyache about fee increases even more than non residents.

Its not just hunting licenses they complain about, the sky is falling when a levy is proposed for schools. Its amazing that when your bill goes up a couple hundred bucks a year, they all of a sudden can't afford the $300k house they live in.

 

[jspradley]

Its not just hunting licenses they complain about, the sky is falling when a levy is proposed for schools. Its amazing that when your bill goes up a couple hundred bucks a year, they all of a sudden can't afford the $300k house they live in.

Gotta have that new iphone and giant TV man! Get your priorities straight!

 

[Customweld]

Well that seems commendable, keep the Utah out of Idaho.

I think that was the exact sentiment when that all went down. Alot of the ideas for the riders originated in SE Idaho,especially the auction tags.

 

[Mike7]

Its not just hunting licenses they complain about, the sky is falling when a levy is proposed for schools. Its amazing that when your bill goes up a couple hundred bucks a year, they all of a sudden can't afford the $300k house they live in.

I think some of you are over generalizing and know nothing about Idaho. It is great that you make decent money, and live in a state where Californians are coming to work because of the economy, but many coming to Idaho are coming instead to escape and retire. The job base hasn't changed as much, and until recently wages have been down or stagnant, but prices on many things have been still going up.

For instance, the property taxes already went up on people here when their house "value" went from $190,000 to $290,000 as the Californians moved in and bought $450,000 places like it was nothing. Now the Idaho person still making $45,000/yr has a $300,000 house but they can't afford the mortgage as easily or afford to even maintain it.

And now they are also paying for increased health care costs, etc. on that same income, because more people who choose not to work and who have the newest I-phones are on expanded Medicaid, Medicare, and Obama Care, and everyone now has gov't mandated more expensive insurance plans.

Nothing is for free, it just get cost shifted to someone else. And gov't is full of good intentions with untoward consequences.

You are all welcomed to donate money to Idaho wildlife management. Heck, it is probably one of the gov't programs with the least waste and corruption...and maybe that is because they have to operate more efficiently?

Donation otions for you rich out of staters?... I would suggest buying a tag, but don't come hunt? Or start a foundation where you pay for the tags for poor parents and kids here in Idaho, so that they can go out and hunt for less cost.

 

[sneaky]

I think some of you are over generalizing and know nothing about Idaho. It is great that you make decent money, and live in a state where Californians are coming to work because of the economy, but many coming to Idaho are coming instead to escape and retire. The job base hasn't changed as much, and until recently wages have been down or stagnant, but prices on many things have been still going up.

For instance, the property taxes already went up on people here when their house "value" went from $190,000 to $290,000 as the Californians moved in and bought $450,000 places like it was nothing. Now the Idaho person still making $45,000/yr has a $300,000 house but they can't afford the mortgage as easily or afford to even maintain it.

And now they are also paying for increased health care costs, etc. on that same income, because more people who choose not to work and who have the newest I-phones are on expanded Medicaid, Medicare, and Obama Care, and everyone now has gov't mandated more expensive insurance plans.

Nothing is for free, it just get cost shifted to someone else. And gov't is full of good intentions with untoward consequences.

You are all welcomed to donate money to Idaho wildlife management. Heck, it is probably one of the gov't programs with the least waste and corruption...and maybe that is because they have to operate more efficiently?

Donation otions for you rich out of staters?... I would suggest buying a tag, but don't come hunt? Or start a foundation where you pay for the tags for poor parents and kids here in Idaho, so that they can go out and hunt for less cost.

I think a lot of the commenters know a helluva lot more about Idaho than you do since most of them are residents. Trying to figure out what you are so wound up about. People are crazy to stay in Boise or CDA now, the Californians have ruined it. Idaho missed the boat on making hunting a right and not a privilege. Won't have to worry much about tag costs once the state turns blue and seasons get shut down. Predators will be the first thing protected.

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[Broomd]

Because residents are cheapskates and bellyache about fee increases even more than non residents.

I don't know that that's true anymore. People are fed up with out-of-state hunters. I realize that there are some quality NR hunters who come here, some good guys. But overall, locals are sick of it.

I know many Idahoans that would pay more for less NR presence. Idaho is the only state left worth two cents with over-the-counter tags, everyone else has f*cked it all up. We will eventually.

 

[Rob5589]

Because residents are cheapskates and bellyache about fee increases even more than non residents.

I hear ya. Funny thing is, I bitched about the increase in a CA lic a few years ago (49.94 currently) but am more than willing to drop 1K on the ID lic/deer/elk/archery tag fees. I think people just like to complain in general

 

[Rob5589]

I don't know that that's true anymore. People are fed up with out-of-state hunters. I realize that there are some quality NR hunters who come here, some good guys. But overall, locals are sick of it.

I know many Idahoans that would pay more for less NR presence. Idaho is the only state left worth two cents with over-the-counter tags, everyone else has f*cked it all up. We will eventually.

That is unfortunate. Not all of "us" are dicks. NR complain about the attitudes of locals but honestly, nearly everyone we have met there has been friendly. We don't go in there with a "we own the place" attitude and I think that is appreciated. As usual, a few make it a mess for the many.

 

[idelkslayer]

I think a lot of the commenters know a helluva lot more about Idaho than you do since most of them are residents. Trying to figure out what you are so wound up about. People are crazy to stay in Boise or CDA now, the Californians have ruined it. Idaho missed the boat on making hunting a right and not a privilege. Won't have to worry much about tag costs once the state turns blue and seasons get shut down. Predators will be the first thing protected.

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Idaho is a right-to-hunt-fish-trap state.
https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idconst/arti/sect23/

 

[Mike7]

Not wound up at all. I just don't see many speaking up here for poor rural Idaho resident families who will be the block of recruited hunters and voters to keep the tradition alive potentially...and maybe prevent the progression of wildlife management erosion that goes something like this... Idaho (good), then to Oregon, then Washington, and finally to Hawaii and California (crap). These are all places I have lived and seen the predictable regression.

I talk with poor working Idaho families every day with my job for the past 13 years, and for the 6 years prior to that I talked daily with poor families in the NE corner of Washington, as well as being a part of a poor NE Wash family at that time. I think that I might have a little insight into some of their struggles that some of you yuppies might not have (by the way, if you need to know, I am only about 1/3 yuppy myself).

 

[Mike7]

Most NR hunters that I have met have been really nice. Just not sure they all would make good voters in supporting the maintenance of a state with greater liberty, hunting traditions, and personal responsibility?