Idaho proposed special season open sight centerfire

[betelgeuse]

Interesting thread. I can't see shit. I think I would be limited to 50 yards, haha. I'd give it a go though.

 

[willfrye027]

Anybody got a link to the proposals?

 

[WRO]

I don’t need data to tell me that a season that allows weapons capable of killing deer at 1000 yards is gonna kill more deer (and older age class deer) than one that is limited to 150-200 yards.

It’ll take a couple years, but it’ll soon end up like the muzzys that used to be 100 yard guns that now are effective with peeps 3-400. You might not hit 1k, but with a peep 500 is very doable.

 

[Sully_44]

It’ll take a couple years, but it’ll soon end up like the muzzys that used to be 100 yard guns that now are effective with peeps 3-400. You might not hit 1k, but with a peep 500 is very doable.

Very doable on bright targets. Very very few people are going to be able to see a grey deer or brown elk in sage, rocks, brush, and timber with shadows and all that much past 200.

 

[WRO]

Very doable on bright targets. Very very few people are going to be able to see a grey deer or brown elk in sage, rocks, brush, and timber with shadows and all that much past 200.

I know of several deer and elk killed past 300 with open sighted muzzies this year, I can think of multiple kills this year that would’ve been easy up to 500 with a good peep sight. It’ll take a couple years but guys will get rifles set up to do it consistently.

 

[cal30_sniper]

Very doable on bright targets. Very very few people are going to be able to see a grey deer or brown elk in sage, rocks, brush, and timber with shadows and all that much past 200.

This was my experience. On a range, I can hit 400-500yds with high contrast targets in bright daylight. Lucky to see half of that distance well enough to shoot in the deer woods. I passed on a 300yd shot because I didn't feel it was ethical given the lighting conditions and position of the quarry. Would have smoked him with a scope.

 

[cal30_sniper]

I know of several deer and elk killed past 300 with open sighted muzzies this year, I can think of multiple kills this year that would’ve been easy up to 500 with a good peep sight. It’ll take a couple years but guys will get rifles set up to do it consistently.

And how many at 600-1000yds like is becoming pretty common with scoped rifles, rangefinders, and ballistic apps that make the wind call the only art form?

 

[Sully_44]

I know of several deer and elk killed past 300 with open sighted muzzies this year, I can think of multiple kills this year that would’ve been easy up to 500 with a good peep sight. It’ll take a couple years but guys will get rifles set up to do it consistently.

Again, very very few guys will have the skills and equipment to do it. I’m sure your circle will get it figured out as well as many of our circles will figure something out. We have to realize that for a lot of us, hunting isn’t a hobby, but our lifestyle. The general hunting public (vast majority of tag buyers), are going to draw an open sight tag, run to the hardware store and buy a gun with open sights and go out on their hunt. Most guys won’t be able to see stuff very far out.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Not “wrong” there’s literally been Rokcast episodes where guests talk about it. They got to “experience” it all and now want it changed. One of the biggest proponents for pushing the changes on the Cache unit is now up here in Idaho pushing the same narrative.

Since you’re on the committee can you provide a solution for the older hunters who can’t shoot irons? Or should they just wing it and lob rounds blindly at game?

I don’t understand this argument. Should older hunters be allowed to drive closed roads because their legs aren’t what they used to be? What about youth hunters? My wife can’t hike as far as I can, it’s not her fault she weighs 117 pounds and her legs are 2.5 feet long. Should she get special treatment?

I want to be a porn star but my … life’s not fair!

 

[Wprinkle]

I am all in for restricted weapons hunts. Trad bows, sidelock muzzloaders and straightwalled rifle cartridges. Let's give the animals a chance and limit our success in the meantime.

I disagree, weapons limits do nothing. Guys are stacking 10 round groups in a pie plate at 600 with 200+ year old sights... You want to make a difference ban technology like Mapping Apps

 

[Ucsdryder]

Wounding is always going to be a thing. Shooting too far is always going to be a thing. The difference is with a long range rifle guys are shooting 800-1000 and wounding. With primitive it’ll be 30% as far and wounding will continue. A buddy got a new rifle this year. Shot a few boxes and killed a bull at 700 yards like it was 100. Technology in rifles is out of control.

 

[Ucsdryder]

I disagree, weapons limits do nothing. Guys are stacking 10 round groups in a pie plate at 600 with 200+ year old sights... You want to make a difference ban technology like Mapping Apps

Huh? That’s like saying there are guys staking 10 round groups in a pie plate at 1600 with scoped rifles. Sure, some are, but we’re talking the average hunter. I used a ML last year with open sights and shot a bull in the ass at 80 yards with a rest.

For comparison here’s a 2 shot zero check group with my 300nmi this elk season. Distance was somewhere close to 1000 yards

 

[HunterGatherer]

There will always be those people that try to beat the intention of the weapon restrictions. It’s ironic that people will spend thousands of hours learning how to shoot farther and almost no time learning how to get closer.

 

[Flyjunky]

The general hunting public (vast majority of tag buyers), are going to draw an open sight tag, run to the hardware store and buy a gun with open sights and go out on their hunt. Most guys won’t be able to see stuff very far out.

Sounds like a recipe for disaster and lots of wounding, kind of like those long range guys people complain about.

 

[flyfisher117]

I don’t understand this argument. Should older hunters be allowed to drive closed roads because their legs aren’t what they used to be? What about youth hunters? My wife can’t hike as far as I can, it’s not her fault she weighs 117 pounds and her legs are 2.5 feet long. Should she get special treatment?

I want to be a porn star but my … life’s not fair!

whataboutism is a terrible disease.

A simple red dot gives them no advantage other than it’s a sight system that may give a guy a few more years of opportunity. (Until vortex designs a red dot with an exposed elevation turret)
I thought we were doing this to increase opportunity? No? Opportunity for me but not for thee?

 

[Q_Sertorius]

All these restrictions are just hunters trying to put up hurdles and barriers to entry to other hunters.

 

[Wprinkle]

Huh? That’s like saying there are guys staking 10 round groups in a pie plate at 1600 with scoped rifles. Sure, some are, but we’re talking the average hunter. I used a ML last year with open sights and shot a bull in the ass at 80 yards with a rest.

For comparison here’s a 2 shot zero check group with my 300nmi this elk season. Distance was somewhere close to 1000 yards

These were "averageish" hunters. With aperture sights if you can see it, you theoretically can hit it. If the purpose of an open sight only season is to reduce number of hunters or limit range of shots, open sights will do nothing. It MIGHT impact numbers the first year but that is it.

*I will agree that probably 99% of hunters should not be taking shots past 200 even if the box says 1,000 yards out of the box... but I would venture a SWAG that of those 99%, 98% are all taking shots they should not. I am firmly in the corner of weapons restrictions will do nothing, but banning technology will.

 

[S.Clancy]

Instead of bitching and moaning on an internet forum maybe you guys should show up and provide public comment if/when this comes up in Commission....