Idaho 2023-2024 Seasons Proposals

[sneaky]

I don’t agree that the science is settled. And I don’t agree that we would end up with a bunch of dead small deer left to rot. Rather like in the owyhees, people would simply have to use their $1000 glasses and make sure they don’t screw up. If this doesn’t work, why do states like Utah have “dedicated sportsmen” programs which in part incentivize people to stop shooting dinks.

Dedicated hunter program is just a way for people to ensure they get a tag in a state with crappy draw odds because of a POINTS system. That's it.

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[eye_zick]

I suspect that you don't even really know what 'intellectual dishonesty' means.
I didn't even offer an argument, therefore that term isn't even applicable.

I'm not going to banter beyond this, anyone that includes going to a 'points system' to rectify or change what is arguably the best system in the country is beyond meaningful discussion.
Other mountain states' point systems have ushered in total opportunity failure throughout the West, and one might say the lack of that implementation is the biggest factor in Idaho's R and NR success.

As I stated before, have never read from a long-time Idahoan who wants that potential disaster.

Not willing to discuss anything beyond this? Why show up at all? Just to get the last word in?

You only make a joust at the points system, but I made roughly 11 other points... If my ideas are so bad, help me out. Inform me.

We can agree to be at an impasse on a points system, I would offer reasons why I support it, but clearly your mind is closed on the matter.

Please consider the following from a survey of satisfaction among mule deer hunters. Should we expect IDFG to incorporate changes to address the survey? Idaho does have many great things, but it should be our endeavor to make it better.

 

[eye_zick]

Apparently everyone thinks based on 30 year old data and binocular/scope technology that 3 point or better general tags for 18-64 year old hunters won’t work, but I think it’s our best bet to get a more reasonable age class in our state. It also makes people consider their ballistics and long range shooting which is a positive side effect.

Another one that won’t happen but I think would be better is instead of choosing either 1 OIL species (sheep, goat, or moose) or all 3 apps for deer elk and Antelope - it should be changed to “pick 2 out of 6”. I think that allows more people including youth into the OIL draw which creates more excitement.

Finally, if you draw any tag that had a 4 percent or lower draw odds (1 in 25) that year, you must wait at least 2 years to put into that species again for a non harvest, and 5 years with a harvest.

This is the kind of thought process I lean into.

We have to get out of the rut of thinking if we change it, we cant change it back.

Let's make some changes where the intent is to see a more reasonable age class in our state.

 

[eye_zick]

Personally, I don't see that much overcrowding. As someone who has but a few years left to hunt, I don't want to wait for every other year. I am glad to see the proposed change to the antlerless hunt on the A tag in the Weiser elk Zone. Even though I have used it a few times.

We know that overcrowding is not a statewide issue. Any changes to address overcrowding neednt be a statewide change.

 

[BuckSmasher]

Have any of y'all been to a public meeting/open house? Anybody going to the one in CDA tomorrow night?

 

[eye_zick]

You put entirely too much faith in people to do the right thing.

They cant even put away their grocery carts...

 

[Roguer53]

They cant even put away their grocery carts...

Excellent point!

 

[87TT]

We know that overcrowding is not a statewide issue. Any changes to address overcrowding neednt be a statewide change.

Overcrowding should not be an issue for anyone. Just move to a new location. Residents have the whole state. And most units/zones are huge.

 

[87TT]

As for antler restrictions, try unit 22. Can't shoot anything over a two point deer. If that worked, we would be overrun with big deer. I've found more than a few dead three point deer left to rot.

 

[Grundy53]

I don’t agree that the science is settled. And I don’t agree that we would end up with a bunch of dead small deer left to rot. Rather like in the owyhees, people would simply have to use their $1000 glasses and make sure they don’t screw up. If this doesn’t work, why do states like Utah have “dedicated sportsmen” programs which in part incentivize people to stop shooting dinks.

I live in Washington. We have antler restrictions for mule deer and elk. There are plenty bucks and bulls left to rot every year. Oh and the point restrictions haven't helped our herds any.

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[downthepipe]

As for antler restrictions, try unit 22. Can't shoot anything over a two point deer. If that worked, we would be overrun with big deer. I've found more than a few dead three point deer left to rot.

Yes unit 22 with literally one of the most sought after deer rifle controlled hunt tag with some of the biggest consistently taken bucks of any unit in the state.

 

[Customweld]

Yes unit 22 with literally one of the most sought after deer rifle controlled hunt tag with some of the biggest consistently taken bucks of any unit in the state.

Which is controlled hunt for everything except forkies. Literally the opposite of 3 points or bigger.

 

[87TT]

I wonder how many hunters draw the tag and end up shooting a smaller deer because they don't find a "monster"? I'll bet more three pointers are killed and left to rot than deer killed in the control hunt.

 

[WeiserBucks]

It would suit me just fine if they completely eliminated the two point general hunts in all of the big buck draw zones for 5 years and then take a look at the outcome. Could be a way to eventually give out some more big buck tags in the draw without wrecking the deer numbers. We all know the deer are having a tough time in most areas, I'd support eliminating mule deer doe tags for anyone over the age of 14.

The elk slaughter in 32 is just another way to cater to landowners complaining about elk, plain and simple.

 

[Customweld]

It would suit me just fine if they completely eliminated the two point general hunts in all of the big buck draw zones for 5 years and then take a look at the outcome. Could be a way to eventually give out some more big buck tags in the draw without wrecking the deer numbers. We all know the deer are having a tough time in most areas, I'd support eliminating mule deer doe tags for anyone over the age of 14.

The elk slaughter in 32 is just another way to cater to landowners complaining about elk, plain and simple.

Spot on. Gotta get those elk off the ranches that they won’t let you hunt on.

 

[Minute_of_Antelope]

1. Make the IDFG Director an elected position (currently hand picked by governor). Same with commissioners.

2. Post detailed minutes of all meetings (not just an agenda).

3. Revisions to governor and landowner tags - put them on the books (how many per unit etc). Limit land owner tags to their private property.

4. All controlled hunts draw due by May 5th. Draw results due by May 25th.

I prefer quality of quantity, and I know this puts me in the minority of hunters...

Generally - implement similar measures for residents deer tags as NR tags.

5. Incorporate elk zones as deer zones, make residents choose a zone. Stop OTC resident tags, but allow them as 1st choice draw. Apply for that deer tag by zone. If youre not a resident by the draw due date you're SOL.

IDK - but I lean to revising capped elk archery - reduce archery season, make an early and a late archery tag, splitting tags in half.

6. Remove all exemptions to motorized hunting rule units, unless its not legal then allow ADA. (no camping, game retrieval etc)

7. Major revisions to youth hunting. Make all 'general' season opportunities preceded by a 2 day youth only hunt, include DAV, disabled.

8. Require all big game tags to have "CWD endorsement" - $5 - an online/inperson class about IDFG CWD plan. make it short, make it have a test. *Unit 14 had hunters completely unaware of CWD reg changes. This is how CWD spreads... Earmark fees to CWD management.

9. Require all landowners to allow hunting on their property before seeking any damage compensation from big game.

10. Go to a points system.

https://collaboration.idfg.idaho.gov/WildlifeTechnicalReports/IDFG%20Hunter%20Crowding%202019.pdf

Look at the study of perceived overcrowding and low satisfaction. This was published in 2019. Yet IDFG has done little to address the overcrowding and low satisfaction.

Nodding north and south until you mentioned the points system.

 

[Minute_of_Antelope]

Would like to see some veterans opportunities in Idaho. NM, for example, has some good returning Afghanistan/Iraq vet hunts on WSMR and half price tags for military.

Idaho, as far as I can tell, could give a rip.

 

[sneaky]

It would suit me just fine if they completely eliminated the two point general hunts in all of the big buck draw zones for 5 years and then take a look at the outcome. Could be a way to eventually give out some more big buck tags in the draw without wrecking the deer numbers. We all know the deer are having a tough time in most areas, I'd support eliminating mule deer doe tags for anyone over the age of 14.

The elk slaughter in 32 is just another way to cater to landowners complaining about elk, plain and simple.

There's a lot of changes coming to doe hunts with the new proposals. Most doe tags are going away because enough people spoke up and said enough. Deer numbers are down and the proposals to address it are at least on the table

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[sneaky]

Would like to see some veterans opportunities in Idaho. NM, for example, has some good returning Afghanistan/Iraq vet hunts on WSMR and half price tags for military.

Idaho, as far as I can tell, could give a rip.

Ummm... Idaho has the cheapest DAV tags in the country for deer and elk. A few hundred of them to be exact. Try again. And, before you fire back about veteran preference, I spent 12 years in the Corps. We all volunteered. No one promised us reduced price tags at any point. Anything that is offered should be appreciated, but never expected.

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[downthepipe]

I wonder how many hunters draw the tag and end up shooting a smaller deer because they don't find a "monster"? I'll bet more three pointers are killed and left to rot than deer killed in the control hunt.

Not a chance in hell. You think nobody but yourself is ethical?