I need a muzzle loader

[ole hunter]

Hi,, I live in eastern Oregon ,,I have family friends with a Nice ranch Sumpter area ,, I have been hunting there and have harvested many elk with the 25-06 ,, I have been asked to switch to a muzzle loader ,,
So I have been reading just about every thread here ,I like the Traditions Vortek Strikefire North west mag 50 ,,But with the one 1-28 twist it looks hard to load for ,,Did check out the CVA Wolf NW It looks decent to ,, In 2002 I went threw 2 arm surgery's and been disabled since ,,I have a small machine shop keep me out of trouble ,,Looking for a lite weight gun and all the help I can get ,,,Thank you Robert

 

[dotman]

Spend a tad more and get a knight ultralite.

 

[Jackelope]

Go with a Knight. Those vorteks have been known to have issues regarding reliable ignition from what I've read. A nice, more budget friendly gun is a T/C Black Diamond XR. I have a knight and a t/c. T/C shoots great but the fit and finish is nowhere close to my Knight Disc Extreme.

 

[Eric Bailey]

I have the CVA wolf. It is light, compact, easy to use/clean and less than half the price of the other two guns mentioned. They might shoot better scoped, but if you have to use open sights I think your eyes will always be the limiting factor when using a modern muzzleloader. They are for me anyway.

It is my understanding that if you can't use sabots a longer conical does better with the fast 1:28 twist. Some here use big heavy (long) lead conicals. Others like me use the all copper 300 grain Thor. Being copper and having a substantial hollow base, it it pretty long for a 300 grain slug. And there isn't a muzzleloader bullet with a better ballistic coefficient. It shoots great for me.

Muzzleloaders are a blast to shoot. You'll have fun no matter what setup you choose.

 

[bourbon]

I have a CVA Accura and it is a great gun. Probably the most accurate weapon I own, within sensible muzzleloader distances of course, and is a pleasure to shoot.

I dont know how much experience you have with muzzleloaders but cleaning is an absolute necessity. Harsh chemicals arent required either as good ole hot soapy water is best.

 

[ole hunter]

Thank you guys for all the fast reply's and what is working best for you ,,that I will listen too ,,, I did take a look at both the CVA / Knight rifles .I like both ,not gonna get into big a hurry August 1 is my dead line,

 

[Bearhunter]

Buy yourself a Knight! The Ultralite is a very sweet setup with the northwest kit only a small portion of the breech is exposed to the elements. I am wrapping up a article on this gun here in the next couple weeks that you will be able to read here on the slide soon. Take care

 

[dotman]

I have a CVA Accura and it is a great gun. Probably the most accurate weapon I own, within sensible muzzleloader distances of course, and is a pleasure to shoot.

I dont know how much experience you have with muzzleloaders but cleaning is an absolute necessity. Harsh chemicals arent required either as good ole hot soapy water is best.

If you use BH209 do not use water to clean it.

 

[StrutNut]

I had a Black diamond and did not have that good of luck with it. In fact, I wont be buying T/C ever again. I currently have a Winchester X-150 made by CVA and this thing is fantastic. Very accurate and very dependable. I plan on buying a CVA wolf for my son. I really like the accuracy and Quality of the CVA. I would love to pick up an Accura for myself but do not have the need as the X-150 is so good.

 

[bourbon]

If you use BH209 do not use water to clean it.

Was not aware of that! Thanks.

Out of my CVA Accura I've had best performance with White Hot from IMR and they clean up with water. I've also used 777 in the past in other guns and it cleans up with water.

 

[dotman]

BH209 is the only one that you have to use regular solvents with I believe.

 

[sabotloader]

Ole Hunter,

Since it appears that you will be hunting with a ML in Oregon you will not be able to use BH because you need to use cap ignition and you will need to shoot full bore lead conicals with open sights.

The people that have suggested a Knight Ultra-Lite with a Western Edition installed are really suggesting a really good reliable rifle. The 50 cal. will come with 1-28 twist and it will shoot conicals very well.

I actually have two of these rifles and really enjoy both of them. This one is setup for ML hunting here in Idaho where we have basically the same rules as Oregon. This setup weighs in at around 6.5 lbs. It really is a light weight but powerful gun.



This one is setup for hunting during the regular rifle season.



They come with a lightweight Kevlar stock that has an aluminum bedding block built into the stock.



This thread might give you some additional information.

http://www.rokslide.com/forums/show...Knight-Ultra-Lite&highlight=knight+Ultra+lite

Or you might just do a forum search for Knight Ultra-Lite. I have posted a lot of information on the rifle.

One last thought... if the price is not what you might want to pay for a very seasonal rifle - then also take a good look at a Knight DISC Extreme. They are really a very good rifle also....

 

[robby denning]

I have a Knight Mountaineer that would be completely legal in your state. I hunted Colorado which requires conicals and it shoots 1" groups with a peep sight, so great accuracy. I used the PR Bullet conicals and they loaded fine. NOt a lightweight gun, but shoots well and is adaptable to 209 if you hunt a state that allows it.

 

[Travis Bertrand]

Can't go wrong with a disc extreme and western legal kit...

 

[jm1607]

What do you guys think of the Knight Vision? Are they sold out of them right now?

 

[ole hunter]

I just found out That I live 45 minutes from Muzzle-Loaders.com ..And I thought all we had here was Sage Brush & pine trees ,,,,

 

[ole hunter]

Thank you guys for all the great help ,After much discussion with my Wife and reading tons of reviews Plus watching You tube vids I have chosen to buy my gun from Muzzle-loader.com ,Wife wanted me to buy a CVA Optima , I do have to say if ML hunting was all I was going to do I would sell all the Ruger's and Browning x bolt in the gun safe and go with a Knight or Cooper ,,The CVA Optima is a good looking ML but I want a little nicer one ,So in 2 weeks,,, maybe,,,, I will be picking up a new CVA Accura V2 nitride thumb hole Northwest .50cal ,,,Thank you for all the help and Time you guys have spent educating guys like me about your great hobby/sport of Muzzle loaders ...

 

[LJ Buck]

You will like the CVA. Use the BH209 and try different bullets. I hunt in CO so no scope and no sabot bullet. I can hit a 12in circle at 200yds time and time again.

 

[sabotloader]

You will like the CVA. Use the BH209 and try different bullets. I hunt in CO so no scope and no sabot bullet. I can hit a 12in circle at 200yds time and time again.

He is in Oregon, can not use 209's or BH and must use a full bore lead conical.

 

[ole hunter]

Wife & I went to Muzzle-loaders.com today ,,What a great bunch of guys there, we had a blast ,I was able to look at some new muzzle loaders .They brought out several different CVA and one Knight ,I changed my mind when I seen the Knight what a great looking rifle ,,Disc extreme Western legal ,,, I held it then raised it up to get the sight pic and couldn't get my old neck down enough to see in the cross hairs ,,I have been disabled since 2004 ,,,Dang,,, to bad was going to get that one,, It was on the heavy side to me as well but that can be over come , Next they brought out CVA OPTIMA V2 sights camo western legal, It was light and easy view threw the sights ,Then came a CVA accura v2, sights camo Thumb hole a little heavy and very nice feel Then they brought out another Accura V2 sights , camo, with a drop down type rear stock ,,fantastic,, It fit like a glove , a little heavy but the site view was prefect for me ,,Found my ML .When talking to Cody on the phone He kept talking to me about the gun shop next door to them ,He is retail sales for local ,His name is E .Frazer Gunworks ,To make a long story short I needed to sell 2 rifles to thin the heard and buy my new ML He bought them both ,,plus throw-d in some new clothes pants shirt ,,Gods country camo,,Great stuff ,New hats from Muzzle-Loader.com iam almost ready my gun will be here Tuesday ..Thanks again for your help guys Robert