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First omicron death reported in the US.

Omicron accounts for 73% of new cases in the US.

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Dominant strain accounting for one death with comorbidities. Seems like good news outside of that family.
 

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First omicron death reported in the US.

Omicron accounts for 73% of new cases in the US.

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🤣. This is shocking news. Let’s pray they come out with a few more booster shots to combat it.
 

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Just wrapped up a Covid vacation from work. Very mild for all that got it. Spent most of it in the woods, natures quarantine.

A couple questions for the medical guys on here.

How do they test for the variant of Covid ?

What happened to the idea of herd immunity ?
 

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Just wrapped up a Covid vacation from work. Very mild for all that got it. Spent most of it in the woods, natures quarantine.

A couple questions for the medical guys on here.

How do they test for the variant of Covid ?

What happened to the idea of herd immunity ?
I can answer the latter question. It went out the window when not getting vaccinated became a political statement. For herd immunity to work, you need a large enough proportion of the population to have immunity that the disease can't catch a foothold. For measles, for example you need about 85-90% of the population, but since we have some people who can't be vaccinated for legitimate reasons (not capable of developing antibodies for example) it takes a larger proportion of the people who could be vaccinated. From all signs, post-infection immunity is limited and decreases over time as we have seen people reinfected, which further complicates things. Add in that a portion of those who are infected and survive come through with new long-term health problems, and we have ourselves a real pickle.

Sweden decided to try to speedrun herd immunity by just letting people get sick and it didn't work. If it did work that way, we wouldn't have endemic diseases.
 
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I can answer the latter question. It went out the window when not getting vaccinated became a political statement. For herd immunity to work, you need a large enough proportion of the population to have immunity that the disease can't catch a foothold. For measles, for example you need about 85-90% of the population, but since we have some people who can't be vaccinated for legitimate reasons (not capable of developing antibodies for example) it takes a larger proportion of the people who could be vaccinated. From all signs, post-infection immunity is limited and decreases over time as we have seen people reinfected, which further complicates things. Add in that a portion of those who are infected and survive come through with new long-term health problems, and we have ourselves a real pickle.

Sweden decided to try to speedrun herd immunity by just letting people get sick and it didn't work. If it did work that way, we wouldn't have endemic diseases.

Re infection is 90% less likely to result in hospitalization than primary infection, which doesn't have a very high rate of hospitalization anyway. Of course, how prevalent re infection is remains shrouded in poor testing, especially early on in the pandemic.
Obviously, this could change with omicron, etc. but that variant doesn't appear likely to be very severe either.
 
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I can answer the latter question. It went out the window when not getting vaccinated became a political statement. For herd immunity to work, you need a large enough proportion of the population to have immunity that the disease can't catch a foothold. For measles, for example you need about 85-90% of the population, but since we have some people who can't be vaccinated for legitimate reasons (not capable of developing antibodies for example) it takes a larger proportion of the people who could be vaccinated. From all signs, post-infection immunity is limited and decreases over time as we have seen people reinfected, which further complicates things. Add in that a portion of those who are infected and survive come through with new long-term health problems, and we have ourselves a real pickle.

Sweden decided to try to speedrun herd immunity by just letting people get sick and it didn't work. If it did work that way, we wouldn't have endemic diseases.
It went out the window when not enough people didn't get vaccinated? Or did it go out the window because it is a coronavirus?

In my limited virology experience - a disease like measles is much easier to protect against with vaccination, when compared to a coronavirus that mutates rapidly. Any virus that mutates at a rate similar to covid/the flu, is very difficult to develop an efficacious vaccine, that will work for an extended period of time.
 

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It went out the window when not enough people didn't get vaccinated? Or did it go out the window because it is a coronavirus?

In my limited virology experience - a disease like measles is much easier to protect against with vaccination, when compared to a coronavirus that mutates rapidly. Any virus that mutates at a rate similar to covid/the flu, is very difficult to develop an efficacious vaccine, that will work for an extended period of time.
What is your virology experience, since you brought it up?
 

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I can answer the latter question. It went out the window when not getting vaccinated became a political statement.
Don't try to spin this........that's another statement like "the moon is square". But we all know what the truth really is. It became a political statement when Biden said that he would NEVER get a vaccine developed under Trump, and then not only got it....but then mandated it. It did not become a political statement when Americans CHOSE to not get an experimental MRNA shot. Having free will and the right to make our own healthcare choices is never political, but trying to take that away is definitely political.
 

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It went out the window when not enough people didn't get vaccinated? Or did it go out the window because it is a coronavirus?

In my limited virology experience - a disease like measles is much easier to protect against with vaccination, when compared to a coronavirus that mutates rapidly. Any virus that mutates at a rate similar to covid/the flu, is very difficult to develop an efficacious vaccine, that will work for an extended period of time.
Yeah, mutation is what is undermining herd immunity as we are seeing reinfections of those who previously had COViD and breakthrough infections among the fully immunized. On the flip side, that doesn’t diminish the value that immunization apparently still provides for protecting against severe disease and potentially future mutations.
 

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