Hunting "influencers" and game violations

[Hnthrdr]

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but what if enough people vote to abolish the 2A (for example)? Then it’s cool cause the constitution said it went through the correct process? Sometimes it’s not the end all be all document, remember people will interpret it to their ends through their lens the constitution only really works in a country with certain core beliefs and values.

 

[Caseknife]

Wouldn’t this also shut down a lot of guided hunts on public land?

If they are guiding legally, no. If they are doing illegal stuff, yes!

 

[MuleDeerMike]

Or how about instead of creating more laws they start actually enforcing the ones we already have? Haven't seen much of that in the courts the last several years. They just give poaching influencers a slap on the wrist or some other BS basically non-punishment almost every time now. Start throwing the book at these morons and make examples of them. Make the punishment memorable for the offender and fearful for the future morons to think twice. And then get the word out that if you commit wildlife crimes you'll actually get punished instead of just telling them "hey don't do that anymore that's supposed to be illegal" and "you don't get to hunt for 1 year but you can go back to poaching and whoring out hunting kill shots on video for money the the following season if you'd like".

 

[4BarN]

Simple answer is just don’t watch their videos. Without likes and subscribers, they can’t monetize it.


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[BCDJR]

Do all these law breakers lose their lifetime hunting privileges? Some guys cheated in a bass tournament in Alabama and they can’t get a license to fish in Alabama again

 

[Hunter26]

Completely unpopular opinion, but I’ll be real the world would be a better place without porn for the all “muh free speech guys” would also be better without the influencer machine and those trying to become one.

I believe you are completely correct that the world would be a better place without things like porn but the problem comes down to who gets to decide what stays and what goes if you start banning free speech. My concern is how much worse does the world get if you do start taking away those rights. I do think we have a pretty good thing going with the constitution even though it might not be perfect. I think we protect our constitution and if at some point it is voted on to change then we have failed as a society. Just my thoughts and I appreciate the conversation.

 

[Hnthrdr]

I believe you are completely correct that the world would be a better place without things like porn but the problem comes down to who gets to decide what stays and what goes if you start banning free speech. My concern is how much worse does the world get if you do start taking away those rights. I do think we have a pretty good thing going with the constitution even though it might not be perfect. I think we protect our constitution and if at some point it is voted on to change then we have failed as a society. Just my thoughts and I appreciate the conversation.

Is our current system okay… it is for now, I’m not the biggest pessimist but… it is plain to see that the current state of our country and the globe, that democracies can be subverted rather easily with immigration, legal or otherwise. To sit and let our throats be slit because they went through a “constitutional process” really needs to be examined. I know this is far deeper than “banning filming for profit” my 1 year old just doesn’t understand the seemingly dire straits that we may be in as a country lol obviously a constitutional republic is the best, BUT if can be subverted or bastardized what good was it from the start. Obviously it is best to fix things legally, if that is not the case via corrupt judges or unjust laws then there is only 1 way to fix that. And it is far worse than banning what is largely deemed as smut.

I want none of that. I swore an oath to protect and defend the constitution, yet I am not dumb enough to follow anything blindly, especially if it comes as a suicidal blow to the “American way of life”

Ps I’ve gone way off the rails haha feel free to ignore the 34 year old yelling at the clouds

 

[Hunter26]

Is our current system okay… it is for now, I’m not the biggest pessimist but… it is plain to see that the current state of our country and the globe, that democracies can be subverted rather easily with immigration, legal or otherwise. To sit and let our throats be slit because they went through a “constitutional process” really needs to be examined. I know this is far deeper than “banning filming for profit” my 1 year old just doesn’t understand the seemingly dire straits that we may be in as a country lol obviously a constitutional republic is the best, BUT if can be subverted or bastardized what good was it from the start. Obviously it is best to fix things legally, if that is not the case via corrupt judges or unjust laws then there is only 1 way to fix that. And it is far worse than banning what is largely deemed as smut.

I want none of that. I swore an oath to protect and defend the constitution, yet I am not dumb enough to follow anything blindly, especially if it comes as a suicidal blow to the “American way of life”

Ps I’ve gone way off the rails haha feel free to ignore the 34 year old yelling at the clouds

I can agree with most everything said there! Yes we are a little off topic but hey.

One thing I think most of us can agree on is the influencer has greatly hurt our traditional way of hunting and it hasn't been good as a whole.

 

[holder171]

I agree.
I may be old school but I believe in the next 5-10 years we will see the “influencers” die off. There is only so much hunting related content you can put out before it becomes average. I see it in a local group where I live. They have all started working “real” jobs again because their dream of making it big in the YouTube world isn’t working out. I still think we will see content posted, but more like “1 hit wonders” instead of career hunters.

This is part of the problem. “Only so much hunting content before it becomes average” then these idiots think they need to up the game and start making 2000 yard shots, or blow gun an elk, or stupid shit like that. They won’t die off; they’ll just get dumber.


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[WalterH]

The biggest difference I see is that legitimate outfitters are governed by fairly strict regulations by both land managing agencies and state wildlife agencies. Influencers not so much. They make money on the fringes of public land and wildlife management laws, often breaking these laws along the way for some type of personal gain and to the detriment of the wildlife and other hunters.

This hits the nail on the head. These types of "influencing" activities need to be classified as what they are, commercial operations, and regulated as such like other commercial activities taking place on public lands and waters and making use of public resources like fish and game.

If people want to make money off of public land and resources, they should be subject to a permitting system and associate rules and regulations.

 

[woods89]

Simple answer is just don’t watch their videos. Without likes and subscribers, they can’t monetize it.


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This is literally it.

Build a life of depth and joy that minimizes the time spent in front of a screen watching other people doing fun things.

 

[S.Clancy]

Isn't there a state that requires you to get a permit to film on public land or something like that already? seems i remember hearing that on a podcast once

I believe you have to have one to film in Wilderness areas.

You have to have an SRP (Special Use Permit) to film with the intent to make $$$ on any federal land. They will usually require you to pick a basin, sections, whatever. An SRP is not good for an entire Forest system or BLM in a state. SRP's are generally not permitted in wilderness areas for filming.

 

[RockAndSage]

You have to have an SRP (Special Use Permit) to film with the intent to make $$$ on any federal land. They will usually require you to pick a basin, sections, whatever. An SRP is not good for an entire Forest system or BLM in a state. SRP's are generally not permitted in wilderness areas for filming.

Is this exclusively for commercial outfits, or do people need to worry about taking video of their kid hunting?

 

[S.Clancy]

Is this exclusively for commercial outfits, or do people need to worry about taking video of their kid hunting?

Commercial

 

[WalterH]

You have to have an SRP (Special Use Permit) to film with the intent to make $$$ on any federal land. They will usually require you to pick a basin, sections, whatever. An SRP is not good for an entire Forest system or BLM in a state. SRP's are generally not permitted in wilderness areas for filming.

These permits were originally intended for large filming projects like a Chevy commercial or the like. My understanding is that most of the land managers, fed and state, have taken a hands off approach for things like filming for social media, youtube videos, etc because it is too hard to distinguish between personal stuff and influencer content being used to make money.

I don't think turning a blind eye to the problem is the right take because this stuff is getting out of hand and is clearly a commercial operation with the intent to profit.

 

[S.Clancy]

These permits were originally intended for large filming projects like a Chevy commercial or the like. My understanding is that most of the land managers, fed and state, have taken a hands off approach for things like filming for social media, youtube videos, etc because it is too hard to distinguish between personal stuff and influencer content being used to make money.

I don't think turning a blind eye to the problem is the right take because this stuff is getting out of hand and is clearly a commercial operation with the intent to profit.

I work for a land management agency, managers (if they are good) are definitely paying attention to this stuff.

I would also suggest to anyone that if you see or know of someone filming and trying to monetize that content (YouTube, whatever) contact that land manager and let them know. Be as specific as possible.

 

[Chris in TN]

I work for a land management agency, managers (if they are good) are definitely paying attention to this stuff.

I would also suggest to anyone that if you see or know of someone filming and trying to monetize that content (YouTube, whatever) contact that land manager and let them know. Be as specific as possible.

Reading between the lines of what you just posted it sounds like it would take very little - like maybe a single event that put a spotlight on the right place - to flip a switch and shut down a whole metric butt-ton of 'content creation'.

 

[S.Clancy]

Reading between the lines of what you just posted it sounds like it would take very little - like maybe a single event that put a spotlight on the right place - to flip a switch and shut down a whole metric butt-ton of 'content creation'.

Yea. They can always pay for the SRP too, it's not like it's an expensive process.

 

[Mcribs]

These guys are 100% monetizing the taking of wildlife. There’s a legit argument that they cause more impact on the places they film. If I mined an area or removed timber, I have to go through a permit process. If I don’t follow the rules, I lose my right to operate under the permit.

It’s not a stretch to say these dudes should have permit fees and higher consequences when breaking the law. Permits confiscated etc.

 

[TheTone]

Also don’t forget that lots of hunting influencers have also been very open about wanting to get rid of commercial film permits, even ones that have been open about having to pull videos due to not having permits. I suspect tons are getting them as I don’t see any way they are planning far enough out to have the permits. So they want to benefit from public land and resources but pay as little as possible to do so