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Are you saying nothing Biden has done has contributed to inflation and high gas prices because he is who you voted for? Did you blame the former president for anything in the previous administration or just chalk it up to bad luck whenever anything went wrong?
I’m not saying that this admin hasn’t contributed, I’m saying that I doubt it’s 100% Biden. And no, I was intellectually honest with myself about failures and successes in the previous 4 year period.

Politics isn‘t a team sport for me. I don’t feel like I’ve won when I watch someone else lose. I’m not emotionally tied to any of the liars.
 
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Do people in other countries blame Biden for the increase in gas prices? Or just whomever is in charge at the time that they didn’t vote for?

I think the point in all this (to me) is I really don’t care what people pay for gas in other countries. We have a huge supply here and the ability to drill it and process it. Do that. Keep the supply here and let the rest of the world decide if they want to buy from Russia, the Saudi’s , or someone else.

You have to have severe tunnel vision if you can’t see this for what it is.


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I’m not saying that this admin hasn’t contributed, I’m saying that I doubt it’s 100% Biden. And no, I was intellectually honest with myself about failures and successes in the previous 4 year period.

Politics isn‘t a team sport for me. I don’t feel like I’ve won when I watch someone else lose. I’m not emotionally tied to any of the liars.
I doubt anyone believes it is 100% Biden but he has hurt more than he has helped. You can't spend trillions of dollars and have no inflation. You can't cancel pipelines, reduce permits, or in general bad mouth oil companies without expecting the price of oil to go up. Obama said outloud he wanted the price of gas to be more in line with Europe and the price of energy necessarily needed to go up. Biden is following the same model. Although what I believe his administration didn't see but probably should have seen was the potential for war in Ukraine and even more so the post scamdemic jump in oil demand. Had they seen these two things coming maybe he wouldn't have been so quick to try to drive up oil prices. Then again this is what the environmentalists want so maybe it is by design.
 

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I think the point in all this (to me) is I really don’t care what people pay for gas in other countries. We have a huge supply here and the ability to drill it and process it. Do that. Keep the supply here and let the rest of the world decide if they want to buy from Russia, the Saudi’s , or someone else.

You have to have severe tunnel vision if you can’t see this for what it is.


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Couldn't agree with you more.👍
 

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Q1 profits of the big 5.
Shell $9.1 billion
ExxonMobil $8.8 billion
Chevron $6.5 billion
Bp $6.2 billion
Connoco Phillips $4.3 billion


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Q1 profits of the big 5.
Shell $9.1 billion
ExxonMobil $8.8 billion
Chevron $6.5 billion
Bp $6.2 billion
Connoco Phillips $4.3 billion


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It's worth noting that these are record numbers.
 

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If that's the metric, then Clinton is the only Pres in recent history that decreased the federal deficit.
I think people seem to have forgotten that the trillions spent was also approved and the vast majority distributed under Trump.

I don't like Biden anymore than the majority here but a big part of the problem is we look to the person in the White House and attribute everything to them. This creates a mentality that they are the ones that can hurt us or save us.

Biden didnt cause half the shit that is happening but he sure as **** aint doing anything to help it either.
 
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I’m not saying that this admin hasn’t contributed, I’m saying that I doubt it’s 100% Biden. And no, I was intellectually honest with myself about failures and successes in the previous 4 year period.

Politics isn‘t a team sport for me. I don’t feel like I’ve won when I watch someone else lose. I’m not emotionally tied to any of the liars.

Cut permits on the Federal side

Increase EPA costs and destroy financing on the private side and you get exactly what we have today.

Permian, Eagle Ford and Bakkens pretty much blow the doors of the last time oil shot up under the Obama administration, why can’t they do the same now?

Those same producers can’t get financing today….even at record high prices…. It’s not hard to research the why.


“The president’s climate envoy has been pressuring banks and financial institutions to reduce their commitments to U.S. oil and gas companies and join the Net-Zero Banking Alliance, which would hobble the ability of oil and gas companies to increase production. Citi, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase signed on to the alliance this year.”

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/jo...il-fuels-biden-energy-prices-11639603757

https://marcellusdrilling.com/2021/12/biden-continues-to-pressure-big-banks-to-deny-funding-for-og/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidb...-front-in-bidens-war-on-oil-and-gas/amp/

https://www.eenews.net/articles/biden-to-end-fossil-fuel-financing-abroad/

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bu...cial-rules-to-shift-country-16238047.php
 
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It's worth noting that these are record numbers.
And if you think you are going to siphon off a bunch of those profits via taxes and roll them into rebates for the masses for political gain you then set yourself up for continued increased energy costs on down the road for quite some time (which Biden et al want to do and don't care about anyway). If these companies can't use some of that windfall now to pay off debt and finance future production (which Biden has done his best to stifle) then you'll get what you get (continued high prices) down the road.
 

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I’m not saying that this admin hasn’t contributed, I’m saying that I doubt it’s 100% Biden. And no, I was intellectually honest with myself about failures and successes in the previous 4 year period.

Politics isn‘t a team sport for me. I don’t feel like I’ve won when I watch someone else lose. I’m not emotionally tied to any of the liars.
Biden did say he would end our fossil fuel dependency by 2030, I saw those words leave his mouth, he said last week he feels our frustration as we adjust to high fuel prices. Biden has no intention of helping our fuel, food or inflation crisis.
He ran on "build back better" and you can only do that by dismantling the way we currently live.
If you can link any proof to the contrary please do so.
 

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You made the point right there. The admin seeks to EXPORT less oil. Meaning keeping more oil here. Biden administration actually approved more drilling permits on the first 100 days than Trump did all 4 treats of his tenure.

I don’t understand how people tie fuel prices to the man behind the desk in the Oval Office….

It has been said before in this thread but it is worth repeating, these prices are a result of Covid. Demand dropped so low many refineries and wells were shut down. Not that everyone is back to our “normal lives” demand is back up, and through the roof, so the oil companies are making us pay for their losses in 2020-21. No different than the auto industry right now, or housing market. Blame it on the President, whoever it is in office, whatever party he represents, but in reality Big Business is sticking it to us.

If you really want this to change, STAY HOME. Cancel your weekly camping excursions, use less fuel. But do what you have to, to make a living, but think twice about that next trip. Drive demand down.


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It’s pretty simple, markets are dictated by actions, yes there are permits that have been approved yet no lenders willing to invest capital based on an admin that isn’t stable. The keystone pipeline didn’t do anything to supply but it gave a clear message and also the current admin put up barriers to financing plus made the markets afraid to invest.

I don’t see how people can say the guy in the office doesn’t effect markets and prices. If Biden says tomorrow we’ll stop allowing gun powder to be imported do you not think the price will skyrocket? The words of a president effect stuff, otherwise Trump would be in his second term.
 

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Biden did say he would end our fossil fuel dependency by 2030, I saw those words leave his mouth, he said last week he feels our frustration as we adjust to high fuel prices. Biden has no intention of helping our fuel, food or inflation crisis.
He ran on "build back better" and you can only do that by dismantling the way we currently live.
If you can link any proof to the contrary please do so.
Build back better = exact phrasing by the WEF’s great reset agenda.
You’ll own nothing by 2030 and be happy.
Biden’s own words recently “look, we’re in a time of transition. It’s going to hurt but we’ll come out the other side stronger”
Come out the other side to what? Failed “clean” energy sector that is extremely expensive, extremely destructive to the earth, extremely inefficient, etc.
for anyone living in reality, no more on demand power for us serfs.

This is all intentional. If you live in reality you know this by now. America is done.
 

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If that's the metric, then Clinton is the only Pres in recent history that decreased the federal deficit.
You are correct he is the only president in office when the deficit went down.

If you want to be taken seriously though you need to start with admitting fault. The former president had his issues. Number one would be IMO that he was afraid to take the blame for government shutdowns. He shouldn't have caved on spending and let it stay shutdown. He also should have expedited the building of the wall. He shouldn't have assumed he would get another term and just got it done. He fell for Fauci's BS on Covid for a couple months. He shouldn't have signed the Covid relief spending especially PPP.

On the other side of the coin all governors that shut down their economies were idiots. Republican and Democrat. The ones that opened up earlier were all Republicans and Democrats were running to every microphone they could find to tell us everyone was going to die in those states which didn't happen and they were no worse off then the states that stayed shut down. States staying shut down had a direct impact on gas prices and inflation. There is no denying that the states that stayed shut down the longest were Democrat run states. Trump, DeSantis, Abbott, and others were following the science and telling us the cure can't be worse than the disease and the pols that were screaming bloody murder were making it worse. It just so happens I backfired and now their guy is getting pummeled for it.

Open your eyes and follow the facts. Most but not all of the politicians are corrupt. The corrupt ones are after nothing but power. Even the good ones make mistakes but there are some that want power no matter how much it screws the American people.

Politicians on both sides go into government with very little money but stay there for years getting filthy rich. Where does all this money come from? They are making less than $200k a year. If more people stopped drinking the Kool aid and started asking themselves some questions they would figure out they are being played and they are on internet talk forums defending corruption.
 

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I think people seem to have forgotten that the trillions spent was also approved and the vast majority distributed under Trump.

I don't like Biden anymore than the majority here but a big part of the problem is we look to the person in the White House and attribute everything to them. This creates a mentality that they are the ones that can hurt us or save us.

Biden didnt cause half the shit that is happening but he sure as **** aint doing anything to help it either.
I don't forget. I know he is responsible for his share of out of control spending. Some people will not admit the faults of the guy they voted for but I will. What I will add to that is there was 100's of billions still not spent when he left office and Biden spent trillions more and would have spent trillions more than that if not shut down by two senators of his own party. Imagine what inflation would be at if the got BBB passed.
 

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Q1 profits of the big 5.
Shell $9.1 billion
ExxonMobil $8.8 billion
Chevron $6.5 billion
Bp $6.2 billion
Connoco Phillips $4.3 billion


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So what? They also lost $90b in 2020. Now their investors are forcing them to be more fiscally responsible like any buisness should. Also don't forget that pretty much anyone with a retirement 401k for example has oil companies in their portfolio and if they didn't they would be losing even more money. Never seem to hear anybody complaining oil company losses when oil prices are down. It's a commodity and they make more when the commodity is up and less when it's down. Have you checked the prices of other commodities and the profits of companies in those sectors? I have never understood the grab your pitchforks mentality.
 
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I don't like Biden anymore than the majority here but a big part of the problem is we look to the person in the White House and attribute everything to them. This creates a mentality that they are the ones that can hurt us or save us.
most financially succesful people know, that the presidents does not dictate if you do well or not.
 

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So what? They also lost $90b in 2020. Now their investors are forcing them to be more fiscally responsible like any buisness should. Also don't forget that pretty much anyone with a retirement 401k for example has oil companies in their portfolio and if they didn't they would be losing even more money. Never seem to hear anybody complaining oil company losses when oil prices are down. It's a commodity and they make more when the commodity is up and less when it's down. Have you checked the prices of other commodities and the profits of companies in those sectors? I have never understood the grab your pitchforks mentality.
Those are record high earnings. If this fuel price was due to a shortage you wouldn't make record money. It's engineered so they can recoup their down quarters of 2020. Bought and paid for since these oil companies have a powerful lobby and are allowed to influence American politics. They (oil) are the reason we don't produce more, it would hurt their bottom line. Also don't pretend Like any company gives 2 flying f's about their investors.

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Those are record high earnings. If this fuel price was due to a shortage you wouldn't make record money. It's engineered so they can recoup their down quarters of 2020. Bought and paid for since these oil companies have a powerful lobby and are allowed to influence American politics. They (oil) are the reason we don't produce more, it would hurt their bottom line. Also don't pretend Like any company gives 2 flying f's about their investors.

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Lobbyists are a whole northern issue. You are correct they have lobbyists along with wind, solar, environmentalists, unions, and every other special interest group. Hence the corruption paragraph in my last post. If you think companies don't care about their investors considering they go out of buisness without them if they are a publicly traded company I have some ocean front property in Iowa to sell you.
 

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I doubt anyone believes it is 100% Biden but he has hurt more than he has helped. You can't spend trillions of dollars and have no inflation. You can't cancel pipelines, reduce permits, or in general bad mouth oil companies without expecting the price of oil to go up. Obama said outloud he wanted the price of gas to be more in line with Europe and the price of energy necessarily needed to go up. Biden is following the same model. Although what I believe his administration didn't see but probably should have seen was the potential for war in Ukraine and even more so the post scamdemic jump in oil demand. Had they seen these two things coming maybe he wouldn't have been so quick to try to drive up oil prices. Then again this is what the environmentalists want so maybe it is by design.
Don’t forget when he told the nation he was going to turn Saudi Arabia into a “pariah” for the assassination of a Jamal Khashoggi.
Because it doesn’t appear the Saudi’s have forgotten. Now two years later here we are, nobody gives a rat’s rear end about ole Jamal, and they have biden begging for relief .
 
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