How to end NR Wyoming wilderness ban?

[Jethro]

Unfortunately there are many Rs here who can go choke yourselves with a rusty chain. @FAAFO , after reading through your posts here I'm sincerely impressed that you're literate enough to participate in this conversation.

Well good luck with your lobbying. But don't be ragging on @FAAFO . He is trying to catch @Lawnboi in number of posts and I don't want to see anything deter him.

 

[realunlucky]

I visited WY for an Elk hunt for the first time this year. Without exception every resident I interacted with were great people, I'd love to live amongst. Many even expressed that they understood NRs were getting screwed in the current system. I apologize, that isn't entirely true, there was a coffee shop in Pinedale being ran by a Dbag who was obviously a west coast import. Other than him... Anyways...

Unfortunately there are many Rs here who can go choke yourselves with a rusty chain. @FAAFO , after reading through your posts here I'm sincerely impressed that you're literate enough to participate in this conversation.

I advocate governance at the lowest possible level as a rule. I 100% support state sovereignty in controlling state land, NR access to state land is a privilege. I don't mind paying a higher price and having less access to game species on federal land within reason. I kind of do, but not enough to be worth fighting over. The problem here is that the western states, such as WY wilderness access & Bison tag costs, have abused their authority over federal lands for to long and have gone to far.

When the residents of the state refuse to be reasonable, we NRs are left with but one recourse. If I must lobby my congressmen in DC to change the law such that it is illegal to discriminate against Americans access to and usage of federal lands based on residence that's exactly what I'll do. You may laugh at the idea of my single voice. However, I assure you that a few thousand similar letters from NRs on this forum will start a conversation in DC and this is something that very easily could be slipped into an omnibus bill and serve as a campaign trail success story for 100s of Congressmen trying to get re-elected.

One of the principles this country was found on is that taxation entitles you to representation. You Rs can not logically argue that we NRs are not stakeholders when you're using our fees(taxes) to fund you're ability to hunt and fish your state.

You were just in wyoming hunting federal lands. You do understand that you can't hunt all federal lands for a wide variety of reasons.

This has been challenged in court and has set legal presence as a state right. Meaning it would need to overturned in court as a state right before your representative could impose a change.

The wilderness rule restricts such a small percentage of opportunity on available federal lands in wyoming not sure why it's always the focus point of these threads.

While I don't agree with the rule, I do think it has a very limited impact on most non resident hunters except for sheep or mountain goats hunters. Hell even when I lived in wyoming I never hunted a designated wilderness nor did any residents I knew there


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[johnnycake]

That’s true you can DIY just like you can with sheep and brown bear in alaska. You just have to follow the rules. You choose to represent yourself in court or write your own will there is still a process. Same if you want to kill your dall sheep DIY.

But we know! It’s BS!

Nonresidents can't DIY sheep, goats, or grizz in AK, but nonresidents human persons can represent themselves in every state and federal court in the country. The fact that you think this is a valid analogy is hilarious.

 

[Lawnboi]

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Well good luck with your lobbying. But don't be ragging on @FAAFO . He is trying to catch @Lawnboi in number of posts and I don't want to see anything deter him.

It’s okay I’ll give him the win.

Atleast my life has more purpose than taking inept NR hunting for money.

I wish I had more time to spend degrading people on Rokslide.

Relax just another joke

 

[wyogoat]

I visited WY for an Elk hunt for the first time this year. Without exception every resident I interacted with were great people, I'd love to live amongst. Many even expressed that they understood NRs were getting screwed in the current system. I apologize, that isn't entirely true, there was a coffee shop in Pinedale being ran by a Dbag who was obviously a west coast import. Other than him... Anyways...

Unfortunately there are many Rs here who can go choke yourselves with a rusty chain. @FAAFO , after reading through your posts here I'm sincerely impressed that you're literate enough to participate in this conversation.

I advocate governance at the lowest possible level as a rule. I 100% support state sovereignty in controlling state land, NR access to state land is a privilege. I don't mind paying a higher price and having less access to game species on federal land within reason. I kind of do, but not enough to be worth fighting over. The problem here is that the western states, such as WY wilderness access & Bison tag costs, have abused their authority over federal lands for to long and have gone to far.

When the residents of the state refuse to be reasonable, we NRs are left with but one recourse. If I must lobby my congressmen in DC to change the law such that it is illegal to discriminate against Americans access to and usage of federal lands based on residence that's exactly what I'll do. You may laugh at the idea of my single voice. However, I assure you that a few thousand similar letters from NRs on this forum will start a conversation in DC and this is something that very easily could be slipped into an omnibus bill and serve as a campaign trail success story for 100s of Congressmen trying to get re-elected.

One of the principles this country was found on is that taxation entitles you to representation. You Rs can not logically argue that we NRs are not stakeholders when you're using our fees(taxes) to fund you're ability to hunt and fish your state.

I think the issue is that your access isn’t limited, just the ability to harvest a resource managed and owned by the state. I don’t view it as corruption or abuse but I am definitely looking at it as a resident who doesn’t interfere in the affairs of other states. Maybe I enjoy my bubble. Idk.
I’d like to hunt Dall in Alaska. I’m capable and have the ability but the state says I can’t so I accept that. So I never will because of the guide requirement. Not really my style.
I go back to this, you can hunt the Shangri-la that you believe Wyoming wilderness to be by working on befriending a Wyoming resident instead of antagonizing them but most would rather argue about something they won’t do anyway because it involves leaving sight of the truck. That’s probably not you but it’s definitely a few of the whiners on here.
In the meantime, you write your letters. I’ll even send them for you…Warden Norton

 

[StupidLightweight]

This thread is not about whining. Its purpose was to discuss ways of overturning the ban on NR hunters pursuing big game in federally designated wilderness areas of Wyoming. Regardless of the number of people this law impacts, the percentage of land that is off limits, or whether an individual is for or against it, the discussion is valid.

I was impacted by it in 2022 when I killed a WY bull elk in a wilderness area on a nonresident tag. It was a glorious hunt. But the fact that I had to have a resident hunter with me — even though I was a legal resident of WY — shows just how absurd this law is.

 

[TaperPin]

NRs sound like a bunch of victims - omg, your life is so hard after being victimized by mean old Wyoming. Get over the victim mentality and go hunt somewhere else.

 

[realunlucky]

Its purpose was to discuss ways of overturning the ban on NR hunters pursuing big game in federally designated wilderness areas of Wyoming.

You can lobby Wyoming law makers to change the law or challenge it in court to reverse the prior ruling.

Those are the only two viable options

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[wyogoat]

Some are whining and will do nothing to further it and some will. Lobby. Write letters. If it changes then so be it. I just truly believe that as far as state “corruption” goes across all 50 this has to be pretty far down the list…

In the meantime…

 

[tdhanses]

When the federal regulations handcuff the state's economy, it's only right that the feds are responsible to make up at least some of the difference. Remove the federal handcuffs and Wyoming gets rich, so...

Well a few in WY would for sure but we all know that never goes across the board, only the top 1% would see the significant $$.

 

[KHNC]

Is a .223 with a 16" barrel enough gun for elk in the Wyoming Wilderness? Asking for a friend.

 

[tdhanses]

NRs sound like a bunch of victims - omg, your life is so hard after being victimized by mean old Wyoming. Get over the victim mentality and go hunt somewhere else.

In reality it would actually be a really neat study if all of a sudden zero NR’s went to WY to hunt and what true impact that would have on the states wildlife management but we know that won’t happen so we’ll not get to see it play out. Even limited, NR are too important to the state.

 

[307]

Well a few in WY would for sure but we all know that never goes across the board, only the top 1% would see the significant $$.

Yeah, no.

Those jobs and the tax revenue that floods throughout the area have a massive impact on a small population state.

 

[wyogoat]

Is a .223 with a 16" barrel enough gun for elk in the Wyoming Wilderness? Asking for a friend.

Depends, are they a resident or nonresident?

 

[StupidLightweight]

Is a .223 with a 16" barrel enough gun for elk in the Wyoming Wilderness? Asking for a friend.

For a hunter chasing fish or birds in the wilderness, a 16-inch .223 would make an excellent defensive elk rifle during the rut, when bulls can get aggressive. Unfortunately, the mighty .223 isn't allowed for offensive use on elk.

 

[flathead#2]

I view WY as a bad restaurant, I just refuse to eat there, or hunt there.

 

[tdhanses]

Yeah, no.

Those jobs and the tax revenue that floods throughout the state have a massive impact on a small population state.

That revenue would just replace the fed provided but look at other cash flush states for comparison to see what it would really be like. WY really could expand its taxes, add 4% more to sales taxes, instate a 6% income tax and bump property taxes, that would do much more then removing regulations but in reality they way the country is headed WY will probably see even more regulations on it’s main economic driver for the state.

Do WY residents own the main investments in the energy companies or are these companies owned by outside investors? Mining, oil, gas and coal investments seem to usually be by large corporations not residents of states.

Does WY pay every resident an annual payment like AK does from it’s oil?

 

[KHNC]

For a hunter chasing fish or birds in the wilderness, a 16-inch .223 would make an excellent defensive elk rifle during the rut, when bulls can get aggressive. Unfortunately, the mighty .223 isn't allowed for offensive use on elk.

Well poop, that wasnt addressed in the super long .223 thread. Dang, my fren will be disappointed

 

[KHNC]

Depends, are they a resident or nonresident?

both

 

[ThorM465]

You were just in wyoming hunting federal lands. You do understand that you can't hunt all federal lands for a wide variety of reasons.

This has been challenged in court and has set legal presence as a state right. Meaning it would need to overturned in court as a state right before your representative could impose a change.

The wilderness rule restricts such a small percentage of opportunity on available federal lands in wyoming not sure why it's always the focus point of these threads.

While I don't agree with the rule, I do think it has a very limited impact on most non resident hunters except for sheep or mountain goats hunters. Hell even when I lived in wyoming I never hunted a designated wilderness nor did any residents I knew there


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I disagree with your assertion here, but I'm no legal scholar. As I understand this ruling was in absence of legislation to directly address the issue? And the courts as a rule defer to the legislature's "authority" to regulate. That's why I think legislation could change this.

I didn't suggest we lobby to remove the state's ability to regulate the land. I explicitly suggested we demand that legislature require that the state not discriminate between NRs and Rs on federal lands. They would be able to regulate it, the regulations would simply have to be agnostic to state residency.

NRs sound like a bunch of victims - omg, your life is so hard after being victimized by mean old Wyoming. Get over the victim mentality and go hunt somewhere else.

Go hunt state land and get off my federal land.

Some are whining and will do nothing to further it and some will. Lobby. Write letters. If it changes then so be it. I just truly believe that as far as state “corruption” goes across all 50 this has to be pretty far down the list…

In the meantime…
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While that's true in the grand scheme of things. However, this corruption is high on the list in the context of a western game hunting forum.