How do you guys go on these cool hunts?

That's how to do it. You'll be in much better shape than your peers if the bottom falls out of things like 2008.
I work in a market of construction that caters to extremely wealthy people. Most pay cash. So it is somewhat insulated from things like 2008 happening again, not that it cant. But we are also very close to a point where if it happens I could go work at Walmart and make ends meet. Wouldn't be doing what we do now but could easily survive.
 
I need some help and I don’t know who better to ask than the guys doing it so here goes. How do you guys achieve the time freedom and the financial freedom to go on these cool hunts. I’m in Arkansas working at a factory I have no kids but I have a wife and a mortgage and I pretty much only get to hunt what’s local to me like whitetail and ducks. I’m looking for adventure.
This industry has gotten very expensive and door knocking has fewer and fewer results due to leasing agencies. It's officially a pay-to-play world now unless you have access to some good public land. I've hunted some amazing public land in Ohio with views and experiences that you would pay a lot of money for if guided.
 
Gotta be a big chunk of us who live in elk country and get to go yearly.
Don’t try and compare yourself to that. Our resident tags are cheap, self guided is cheap.
Yep, until this year when the prices got jacked up, I could buy a combo elk-deer-bear-cougar for $96. Now I think it's about $138. Still pretty cheap. All OTC with some limitations, spike elk only on the east side and 3 point min on mule deer. All cool hunts to me with my buddies.
 
Yep, until this year when the prices got jacked up, I could buy a combo elk-deer-bear-cougar for $96. Now I think it's about $138. Still pretty cheap. All OTC with some limitations, spike elk only on the east side and 3 point min on mule deer.
Dirt cheap compared to out of state. I'll spend more than that on fuel just to get to the Mississippi.
Then again I can go to the adjoining states and push killing 20 whitetail if I wanted to
 
Dirt cheap compared to out of state. I'll spend more than that on fuel just to get to the Mississippi.
Then again I can go to the adjoining states and push killing 20 whitetail if I wanted to
Yes, I realized a few years ago I could buy all my permits here in WA, plus 3 in Mo and 1 in WI for less than 1 deer tag in MT. I don't hunt in MT anymore.
 
This industry has gotten very expensive and door knocking has fewer and fewer results due to leasing agencies. It's officially a pay-to-play world now unless you have access to some good public land. I've hunted some amazing public land in Ohio with views and experiences that you would pay a lot of money for if guided.

Where I live, landowners mostly just slam the door in your face if you are asking about hunting. They've been asked so many times they don't want to hear it anymore.
 
I think the single most important point is to not try and compare yourself to the snapshots you get of other folks' lives. People at different income levels will do things differently. This comes down to available money, but mostly time.
People in the top 5% of tax filers don't have the time to screw around with stuff. They may not have time to scout over summer, or plan a long hunt to get a feel for an area. So they leverage $ to maximize their time and success.

If you fall into a different income camp, take advantage of your resources. Maybe you do have time as a resource, so use it to plan and scout for cool hunts.

Also a bit of a nuanced point here, but debt is not evil. Debt is a tool that can either hurt or help, depending on use. I completely understand those who avoid debt because they do not trust themselves to avoid getting trapped. But too often the mantra just becomes debt is bad.
 
This industry has gotten very expensive and door knocking has fewer and fewer results due to leasing agencies. It's officially a pay-to-play world now unless you have access to some good public land. I've hunted some amazing public land in Ohio with views and experiences that you would pay a lot of money for if guided.

Expensive is no joke, went out squirrel hunting on a small piece of public here in Idaho today, neighboring property has signs for a duck club with website on the bottom. Out of curiosity I looked up the club. For the low low price of $15000 you can hunt 10 days a season, or if you want a real bargain you can up your membership to $25000 and hunt 20 days. Assuming you limit every day out that’s only $214.29/duck for the 10 day membership or $178.57/duck for the 20 day


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Been big game hunting every fall since I was fourteen years old. I’m sixty seven. I couldn’t afford to hunt more than my resident state until my early fifties. Even then I only used my overtime funds that I earned. Wife, two kids, mortgage etc. I worked hard. Took some college courses. Learned new skills. Got promoted several times which greatly increased my income. This was a thirty year span… not overnight. Now I’m retired. Some years I’ve hunted three states. Almost always at least two. My point is to not wish your life away and stay in your lane until you can merge into better jobs/better pay. If you work hard this will come to pass young man.
 
Unless its making money, I will never understand that kinda money on a rig
I feel like that will always be a lot of money to me. I am 8 years almost nine into business. I have a friend/mentor that is 23 years into business in the same industry. He makes enough that it isn't a lot of money to him any more. He still remembers when he didn't have any money. The first truck I bought for business was $5k. I asked him if I was stupid to not just buy a truck with a warranty and make payments. I could afford it. He said to me, "Do you know the best kind of truck?" I said, "I'm not sure I do." He said, "Paid for."
 
You work with guys who dont prioritize their marriages that are dumb enough to keep getting married anyway.
You beat me to it. People that have no morals or ethics have no business being married. A lot of those people work construction. If you run a construction company based on morals and ethics and the premise of underpromising and over delivering you can do pretty well. I'm not very smart, or hardworking, but I manage to get it done. Also, I have been with the same woman for nearly 20 years and our relationship is solid. It is downright disheartening to see people speak about women in the tone of the poster above.
 
Lots of great info here already. So much its worth reading twice and taking notes.

Ill offer this. Take all the great advice here and come up with a plan. A five year plan to meet a goal/hunt you want to do. Most people dont realize its critical to do this. These things dont just happen overnight and require details. Last minute planning and purchasing results in a way higher cost for everything.

I personally have a plan for the next 12 months to execute a 3 year and 5 year plan. The 3/5 gets modified as needed.

I need to acknowledge I grew up back east and during my military career I was lucky to figure out I'm staying out west. Makes things a ton cheaper when living out here. For me screaming elk in September was a life priority for me.
 
I need some help and I don’t know who better to ask than the guys doing it so here goes. How do you guys achieve the time freedom and the financial freedom to go on these cool hunts. I’m in Arkansas working at a factory I have no kids but I have a wife and a mortgage and I pretty much only get to hunt what’s local to me like whitetail and ducks. I’m looking for adventure.
We moved and retired. Like you, I could not fathom taking off two weeks, going across the country to hunt, nevermind pay for a guide. So at age 54 we said screw it, Massachusetts blows, the people there blow and the hunting and fishing blows. Life is too short, we are getting old and only have so many years left where our bodies will be able take the physical abuse.

Best decision of our lives. Even our kids came out here. I have lived a lifetime during the past five years. And it's practically free. I had a spectacular year this past season. Beautiful bull elk on bow opener. My first antelope buck. My first bear. I could drop dead tomorrow and have zero regrets 😁

We are also in the best health of our lives. We are much happier together. Ya, we earn much less, but we also require much less. You need to get to a certain point in life to make a major change but the tradeoffs are worth it. Well being trumps everything. And for us hunting is a huge part of that. I'm actually amazed at what a huge part of our lives it is today. We are not hard core backcountry, it's gotta hurt, trophy hunters. We are meat hunters so it's become part of our daily life. We now hunt year round. Just got a rabbit the other night. I will be chasing coyote tonight.

Funny thing. My wife never hunted. Then wanted to try it three years ago. She had been shooting for years though. First time out she was hooked. This year she came on every single hunt, except archery. She got the largest deer this household has ever seen this year!
 
Colorado big game brochure is out this week. The family accountant says I can go on and apply for kids tags even though the trip isn’t guaranteed to be in the budget yet.

That’s reality. You plan and dream and hope but nothing is guaranteed. Sometimes it’s best to stop daydreaming and get some work done so you can afford the dreams.
 
This is my "off year" for me obtaining tags but momma gave us the go ahead to apply for the kids. Lets roll the dice and see what happens. Hoping for the secondary.
 
We moved and retired. Like you, I could not fathom taking off two weeks, going across the country to hunt, nevermind pay for a guide. So at age 54 we said screw it, Massachusetts blows, the people there blow and the hunting and fishing blows. Life is too short, we are getting old and only have so many years left where our bodies will be able take the physical abuse.

Best decision of our lives. Even our kids came out here. I have lived a lifetime during the past five years. And it's practically free. I had a spectacular year this past season. Beautiful bull elk on bow opener. My first antelope buck. My first bear. I could drop dead tomorrow and have zero regrets 😁

We are also in the best health of our lives. We are much happier together. Ya, we earn much less, but we also require much less. You need to get to a certain point in life to make a major change but the tradeoffs are worth it. Well being trumps everything. And for us hunting is a huge part of that. I'm actually amazed at what a huge part of our lives it is today. We are not hard core backcountry, it's gotta hurt, trophy hunters. We are meat hunters so it's become part of our daily life. We now hunt year round. Just got a rabbit the other night. I will be chasing coyote tonight.

Funny thing. My wife never hunted. Then wanted to try it three years ago. She had been shooting for years though. First time out she was hooked. This year she came on every single hunt, except archery. She got the largest deer this household has ever seen this year!
Peterk123 makes a good point I forgot. Makes it a lot easier when the spouse is hunting and fishing with ya all year. :)
 
You beat me to it. People that have no morals or ethics have no business being married. A lot of those people work construction. If you run a construction company based on morals and ethics and the premise of underpromising and over delivering you can do pretty well. I'm not very smart, or hardworking, but I manage to get it done. Also, I have been with the same woman for nearly 20 years and our relationship is solid. It is downright disheartening to see people speak about women in the tone of the poster above.
Appreciate you saying it.

We're celebrating 26 in April and, ya know, maybe not going on super cool hunts is worth having a lifelong companion.
 
Appreciate you saying it.

We're celebrating 26 in April and, ya know, maybe not going on super cool hunts is worth having a lifelong companion.
I doubt ill ever have the funds to go on a super expensive hunt. Mainly due to im the primary bread winner. But with that said, id take the life that my wife and I have over anything. Even with all of our very very dark low spots we've dealt with, id rather have this then a 50k Sheep hunt.


Now, if I can get my business to work and I make some good money. Ill send my wife to the Florida white sandy beaches so I can go and abuse myself up in the Yukon or the NWT because I thought Sheep hunting would be cool.
 
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