How bad do you think its going to get?

[Pochuck]

I agree, It's one vicious cycle, but without a doubt the hatred of Israel by most of the Arab states has been going on for many, many years. Antisemitism is even wide spread it the USA. I wonder why it's okay for the left to be anti-semitic? I mean, just look at the universities these days.

Just because someone hates Israel doesn't mean they're antisemetic. Maybe they also hate Israel because Israel backed Jeffrey Epstein

 

[BigRed99]

How bad do you think it can get?

 

[TaperPin]

There are a lot of folks defending war crimes. I just don’t understand it. I heard the wise old Alan D actually say out loud, their enemy is hiding in children's hospitals so we have to kill all the children. That’s not right. And it’s not anti anything to call out either group’s war crimes.

 

[Fujicon]

Chicken474 said:
I want to see Israel launch a nuke at Palestine, should solve lots of problems all at once.

Humans are rational beings, but clearly the ignorance of emotions can overwhelm some people. Yet this comment is so far beyond the pale that any sense of humanity has completely left the room.

 

[Dan Carey]

Rules for warfare? Does that make war legitimate? Killing your fellow man using certain rules makes it OK?

 

[OKHunter84]

Rules for warfare? Does that make war legitimate? Killing your fellow man using certain rules makes it OK?

Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner.
Cormac McCarthy, Blood meridian

Doesn't matter how civilized or sophisticated we all think we are. This will continue to go on with or without our consent. I guess it's interesting to discuss at times. I do feel like there are legitimate reasons. I'm sure if you're Isreali then you felt October 7th justifies a retaliation. If you're Palestinian you might have felt the actions taken on October 7th were justified.

I think I'll go shoot my bow before it gets too hot.

 

[GSPHUNTER]

Just because someone hates Israel doesn't mean they're antisemetic. Maybe they also hate Israel because Israel backed Jeffrey Epstein

Possibly. It may not mean they hate jews, they just have hostility, prejudice, or discriminate against them. Or maybe it is just hatred.

 

[Oakman]

I follow news from credible and diverse sources, not just the polished narratives repeated on Fox or CNN. Truth requires effort, and context matters.

To those who accept Israeli government narratives without question: this crisis did not begin on October 7th. That date is a chapter not the preface. This is a story 77 years in the making, rooted in displacement, military occupation, and systemic injustice.
Ask yourself: how would you feel if your family home was raided by settlers escorted by soldiers and you were forced to watch them move into your bedroom, while you were forbidden to act? Speak up, and you risk being jailed or shot.
This isn’t a dystopian film this is the daily life for Palestinians. Look at the story of the Al-Kurd family in Sheikh Jarrah, forced to share their home with a man named Jacob who flew in from New York and claimed, somehow, that he was native to the land.

 

[Oakman]

To be more precise, history didn’t begin in 1948 either. Before the Nakba ( The catastrophe ) Palestine was one of the most vibrant and diverse places in the Middle East. Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived side by side for generations. Jews made up around 5–10% of the population, and Christians nearly 30%. There was no apartheid wall. No 500+ checkpoints. No snipers at the edge of crowded refugee camps.

But greed, colonial interests, and military ambition changed all that. From the British Mandate to the partition, and from the massacres of 1948 to the occupation of 1967 and beyond the story has been rewritten by power, not truth.

Oppression is wrong no matter who carries it out. I pray for peaceful time to be replicated again, that's before 1948, when Muslims, Jews, and Christians lived as neighbors. When peace, not walls, separated communities.

And for those who need a reminder of what coexistence once looked like:
Do you know who holds the keys to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem ( one of the holiest Christian sites on Earth)? For generations, the muslim families of Joudeh & Nusseibeh have been the caretaker of the church, unlocking its doors each morning and safeguarding it with respect and neutrality. It’s a living symbol of shared history and harmony the kind of coexistence that once defined Palestine.
This isn't a fantasy. It's the past and with justice, it could be the future too.

 

[2531usmc]

I don’t claim to be an expert, or even knowledge, about Middle East politics. But I would think that Palestinians could have a very good life indeed if they used their sea coast to promote tourism and low tax businesses like other Middle East countries have.

Is Hamas a popular, freely, elected governing body? Or is Hamas just a bunch of thugs holding the country hostage for Iran’s benefit?

 

[Oakman]

I don’t claim to be an expert, or even knowledge, about Middle East politics. But I would think that Palestinians could have a very good life indeed if they used their sea coast to promote tourism and low tax businesses like other Middle East countries have.

Is Hamas a popular, freely, elected governing body? Or is Hamas just a bunch of thugs holding the country hostage for Iran’s benefit?

That’s a really good point you brought up.
Hamas was elected in 2006 through a democratic process. People voted them in largely out of frustration with the corruption and inefficiency of the Palestinian Authority. Yet immediately after the election, they were labeled illegitimate, not only by much of the international community but also by the Palestinian Authority itself, who had just lost the vote.

Here is a question: the election happened, and people made their choices, whether we agree with it or not. Isn’t that what democracy is supposed to mean?
It’s troubling how often the world applies a double standard. When elections happen in the U.S., it’s called democracy, no matter who wins. But when an election abroad brings in a party the West disagrees with, suddenly it’s “rigged,” “illegitimate,” or “a threat to democratic values.”

Democracy doesn’t mean only accepting results we like. It means respecting the will of the people even when it challenges our assumptions or interests.

 

[JackButler]

I agree, It's one vicious cycle, but without a doubt the hatred of Israel by most of the Arab states has been going on for many, many years. Antisemitism is even wide spread it the USA. I wonder why it's okay for the left to be anti-semitic? I mean, just look at the universities these days.

I’m not disagreeing with you. But one thing that has been a realization for me personally is that utter disgust by what the state of Israel has been doing is completely unrelated to how I feel about Jewish people.

 

[OKHunter84]

That’s a really good point you brought up.
Hamas was elected in 2006 through a democratic process. People voted them in largely out of frustration with the corruption and inefficiency of the Palestinian Authority. Yet immediately after the election, they were labeled illegitimate, not only by much of the international community but also by the Palestinian Authority itself, who had just lost the vote.

Here is a question: the election happened, and people made their choices, whether we agree with it or not. Isn’t that what democracy is supposed to mean?
It’s troubling how often the world applies a double standard. When elections happen in the U.S., it’s called democracy, no matter who wins. But when an election abroad brings in a party the West disagrees with, suddenly it’s “rigged,” “illegitimate,” or “a threat to democratic values.”

Democracy doesn’t mean only accepting results we like. It means respecting the will of the people even when it challenges our assumptions or interests.

US and EU refused to recognize Hamas unless they renounced violence, recognized Isreal and accepted past peace agreements.
The Fatah still controlled the presidency and a minority of the Palestinian authority.
In 2007 Hamas fully seized control of Gaza by violence and force.

So what about the minority of the people that had voted against hamas?

 

[Pochuck]

Possibly. It may not mean they hate jews, they just have hostility, prejudice, or discriminate against them. Or maybe it is just hatred.

I just graduated from a far left University 2 years ago and I can tell you, they may be freaks but they don't have hostility, prejudice, or discriminate against jewish people. They are rightfully angry at Jewish people who blindly back the Israeli government doing the most heinous things in the world. Palestine and Hamas are not guilt free but neither is Israel, who holds all the cards

 

[Oakman]

US and EU refused to recognize Hamas unless they renounced violence, recognized Isreal and accepted past peace agreements.
The Fatah still controlled the presidency and a minority of the Palestinian authority.
In 2007 Hamas fully seized control of Gaza by violence and force.

So what about the minority of the people that had voted against hamas?

Personally, I don't care about hamas, I am trying to help you look at the big picture, its people's suffering
So to start clear, Jews deserve to live in peace, that's what I believe in, no question about it, and so do the people who are native to the land.
If we truly want peace, we must start by recognizing the daily suffering of Palestinians. See their lives. Acknowledge their humanity. That alone could begin to shift us toward a future where peace is possible for everyone not just some.
Palestinians have almost nothing left but their resilience and their presence on their own land. No real aid. No secure access to food, water, or medicine. Meanwhile, Israel receives billions in U.S. taxpayer dollars including full military support along with free healthcare, housing, and education.

Sadly, the immense power and influence of the United States, which could be used to forge peace, is instead enabling suffering. This isn't about taking sides it's about standing up for human rights, equality, and justice for all people, no matter who they are.

 

[Yoder]

I am so sick of those useless moronic college protestors. They couldn't even find the country on a map. They don't care that women and the alphabet people would either be treated like dogs or killed in Palestine. All they know is Palestinians are oppressed, and Isreal needs to die. I want to see a fire tanker truck full of pepper spray roll up and hose them down after beating them all with something first. Shut up and go to school. After you get a job in the real world for a couple years, then you can have an opinion.

 

[OKHunter84]

Personally, I don't care about hamas, I am trying to help you look at the big picture, its people's suffering
So to start clear, Jews deserve to live in peace, that's what I believe in, no question about it, and so do the people who are native to the land.
If we truly want peace, we must start by recognizing the daily suffering of Palestinians. See their lives. Acknowledge their humanity. That alone could begin to shift us toward a future where peace is possible for everyone not just some.
Palestinians have almost nothing left but their resilience and their presence on their own land. No real aid. No secure access to food, water, or medicine. Meanwhile, Israel receives billions in U.S. taxpayer dollars including full military support along with free healthcare, housing, and education.

Sadly, the immense power and influence of the United States, which could be used to forge peace, is instead enabling suffering. This isn't about taking sides it's about standing up for human rights, equality, and justice for all people, no matter who they are.

Thanks for enlightening everyone . I guess you're the only one that's privy to "real news" and can let us all in on the big picture.

The problem is, it's not their land anymore. Yes they lived their in the past, so did the Jews. I think the argument of all land that was acquired by military force or victory is somehow now null and void, is pointless. The Ottoman empire was defeated in WWI and Britain took over, the British let it go in 1948, it just goes on and on and none of it really matters. Actions have consequences and if you elect terrorists to rule then you're going to have issues. I'm sure most of the people in Palestine are good folks, and I'm sure the Israelites are as well. Most people if you sit down and talk with them are decent even if you disagree about religion or politics. Most of us would fight for what we consider our Homeland. They're going to keep fighting over there no matter what we think in the US.

 

[Pochuck]

I am so sick of those useless moronic college protestors. They couldn't even find the country on a map. They don't care that women and the alphabet people would either be treated like dogs or killed in Palestine. All they know is Palestinians are oppressed, and Isreal needs to die. I want to see a fire tanker truck full of pepper spray roll up and hose them down after beating them all with something first. Shut up and go to school. After you get a job in the real world for a couple years, then you can have an opinion.

The problem is israel is bombing the women and gays too not just Hamas. That doesn't make it better

 

[*zap*]

USA nuked 2 cities of civilians to end a war......firebombed cities in Japan & Germany killing many thousands in the firestorms. More civilians die in wars than soldiers, that is nothing new. Only the dead have seen the end of war/Plato.

 

[IDVortex]

Western Culture should stay out of the middle east proxy wars. That Culture and ours do not align, and we won't see how they can live that way, and they won't see/understand why we do.

We should only get involved for the safety of our country, or to help a ally.

Wishing for WW3, or hoping of dropping nukes is as unrational as that country is. We use to be a 1st world country, more and more i feel folks want us to be a 3rd world country.