Help me understand hunting with Berger bullets!

[LightFoot]

My experience is that Hybrids work well when expanding in the thoracic cavity and/or high shoulder at the nerve junction.


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[eoperator]

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Expand or tumble?

Notice the 2 front ~1/3 of the bullet (middle of pic) tore off with unopened tips recovered from gel.

 

[WeiserBucks]

What about the other two and mine that was recovered from an elk? Tumbling is always possible but far from the rule.

 

[eoperator]

What about the other two and mine that was recovered from an elk? Tumbling is always possible but far from the rule.

The mushroom in the pic (like the one in your hand) was connected to one of the tips in the pic.

 

[WeiserBucks]

The mushroom in the pic (like the one in your hand) was connected to one of the tips in the pic.

You're not wrong. I've seen evidence of tumbling too but to firmly state that they all tumble vs expand is not accurate.

 

[eoperator]

You're not wrong. I've seen evidence of tumbling too but to firmly state that they all tumble vs expand is not accurate.

I would agree with that.

I have called and talked to berger techs 2 times about this subject, they either don't know or more likely do not want to say.

It would be neat to have high speed film to see what happens with otm bullets.

 

[justin davis]

My daughter shot a New Mexico oryx last March with a 156 Berger out of a 6.5 prc. The shot was at 50 yards and very hard quartering away. The Berger preformed perfectly. There was some tiny shrapnel piece exits on the front of the shoulder. There was
No tumbling with this one.

 

[eoperator]

My daughter shot a New Mexico oryx last March with a 156 Berger out of a 6.5 prc. The shot was at 50 yards and very hard quartering away. The Berger preformed perfectly. There was some tiny shrapnel piece exits on the front of the shoulder. There was
No tumbling with this one.

How do you know it did not tumble?

 

[justin davis]

How do you know it did not tumble?

How do you know it did not tumble?

The tiny exits from fragments lead me to believe it didn’t tumble but fragmented. I also couldn’t find the bullet.

 

[eoperator]

The tiny exits from fragments lead me to believe it didn’t tumble but fragmented. I also couldn’t find the bullet.

I don't intend to be argumentive but what if the yaw/tumble is what caused the bullet to open/fragment?


As long as it works does it matter what opens the jacket?

 

[justin davis]

I don't intend to be argumentive but what if the yaw/tumble is what caused the bullet to open/fragment?


As long as it works does it matter what opens the jacket?

Yea you’re definitely right. Defiantly possible. I’m not sure. I’ve just heard people say Berger’s “pencil” thru. But I have had a lot of devastating kills and no exits.

Whatever happens it seems to work well. I’ve used 215 hybrids on elk with good success. And killed antelope and deer with the 108 EH and coyotes and javalena with the 80 grain fullbores.