First Wolf Kill of Livestock in Colorado

[jmez]

We could throw the northern states in there but not really in the west. They just amplify what a problem domestics are in states with wolves.

MI: 0%, 39.8%
MN: 0%, 43.8%
WI: 0%, 28.9%



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[Trap]

So we can look at the data Buzz pointed us to, it's from 2015. APHIS hasn't published the new one yet. Should be coming out any time but not out yet. (That's why he won't post a link.)

List the state, first number is % of predator deaths by dogs, second is by wolves. Judge for yourself which is a bigger problem in the west.

AZ: 35.3%, 9.9%
CO: .3%, 2.1%
ID: 0%, 33.1%
MT: 0%, 10.2%
NV: 0%, 0%
NM: .7%, 7.1%
OR: 0%, 17.8%
UT: 0%, 0%
WA: 8.5%, 24.2%
WY: 0%, 18.4%

Damn dogs.

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Good information thanks for posting actual facts

 

[jmez]

Anyone wants to see the report it is: Death Loss in US Cattle and Calves Due to Predator and Nonpredator Causes. 2015.

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[Bubblehide]

Anyone wants to see the report it is: Death Loss in US Cattle and Calves Due to Predator and Nonpredator Causes. 2015.

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Thanks for posting the data and report name, no wonder Buzz didn't want to post this, what a piece of work.

 

[lyle_destroys]

Domestic dogs kill wayyyyy more livestock than wolves....fact.

Keep fluffy on a leash if you're concerned about cattle loss.

Even if this was true, I dont see the state using taxpayer money to bolster domestic dog populations, like they are doing with wolves. What's your point?

 

[cnelk]

My time is worth $65/hour when I'm researching...and I don't work for free. Two hour minimum.

You really should charge more for the warm, pleasant personality

 

[LookinforDirt]

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/nahms/general/downloads/cattle_calves_deathloss_2015.pdf

Free of charge but it is only 2015 data. Coyotes seem to be the overwhelming predator problem. Which is very telling in itself in that a predator by occupation accounts for an outsized percentage of deaths compared to its population vs. say…domestic dogs. As has been mentioned, the state by state numbers tell the true story. Can only imagine those numbers have grown as the population of those predators have increased since 2015.

 

[Fatcamp]

Might want to skip right to the aphis/nass data...just sayin.

Well, it was that data, just put in a condensed form by the Humane Society.

 

[Indian Summer]

I’m a facts guy. On the internet you can’t believe anything you hear and less than half of what you see.

I see this…. Domestic dogs have been here… statistically since forever. I have no link to support that but I’m sure most if not all agree. Deer elk and moose have been fine. The state of affairs with livestock was what it was. That’s even with natural populations of wolves in places. But as soon as wolves were introduced by stupid humans things went to shit. Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan’s UP….. all experienced the same thing. Devastation of big game populations. My guess… yep no research done, is that wolves killed more elk in Yellowstone than domestic dogs have killed in decades.

To suggest that any amount of predation by dogs should have anything to do with the destruction caused by wolves is grasping at straws. I know for a fact people along the Montana/Idaho border will tell you that their dogs didn’t wipe out their elk and deer. Talking to people who live where there are wolves would be the best study. Do people really give credibility to government studies anyway? I can’t imagine so but they certainly whip that stuff out when it supports their agenda.

 

[BuzzH]

So barstool biology is what you trust? A study from the same locals that can't find an elk to kill? You trust them for your data?

Laffin'.

 

[Insomnia]

So barstool biology is what you trust? A study from the same locals that can't find an elk to kill? You trust them for your data?

Laffin'.

Man, your ego is actually pathetic. Superiority complex much?

 

[Crowmangler]

CPW should take all the money they're using for the introduction program, along with the future $ they're gonna pay ranchers & just build some "natural habitat" pens in several towns for all the leftists & hippies to come see them. Have public feeding time & throw in some calves & some labradoodles to let them see what these things actually do in the wild.. maybe some will change their minds?

 

[Flyjunky]

So barstool biology is what you trust? A study from the same locals that can't find an elk to kill? You trust them for your data?

Laffin'.

So, how about those numbers posted above about wolves vs domestic dog attacks out here in the West?

Do you still want to reference the study you talked about. I know you know everything about everything so I'll be curious to see how you spin all these domestic dog attacks out here in the West.

 

[cuerro viejo]

My time is worth $65/hour when I'm researching...and I don't work for free. Two hour minimum.

I always know you where a yoga instructor.

 

[Trap]

So barstool biology is what you trust? A study from the same locals that can't find an elk to kill? You trust them for your data?

Laffin'.

Has nothing to do with killing elk. We still get our elk every year but once wolves showed up in numbers there were less elk in our part of Idaho. It’s called on the ground observation being in the area year around. How do the biologist count elk? Spend a few days observing them ? It’s not bar stool biology it’s seeing with your own eyes that there is less elk after wolves in some cases ALOT less.

 

[cbeck36]

The data is out there....find it yourself.

Not in the habitat of giving a man a fish, better for them to learn how to fish.

Good hell!

 

[jmez]

Find the 2020 version yet?

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[Bubblehide]

Good hell!

Like I said, what a piece of work.

 

[BuzzH]

Find the 2020 version yet?

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No like I said 2019.

 

[BuzzH]

Has nothing to do with killing elk. We still get our elk every year but once wolves showed up in numbers there were less elk in our part of Idaho. It’s called on the ground observation being in the area year around. How do the biologist count elk? Spend a few days observing them ? It’s not bar stool biology it’s seeing with your own eyes that there is less elk after wolves in some cases ALOT less.

You should worry more about lions than wolves.