Executive Gun Control Orders?

[eddielasvegas]

Storm's a comin'


Eddie

 

[ozyclint]

Not only has Pedo Joe solved child poverty with a $1400 check, he has solved inner city murders with these EOs.

Best. President. Ever. Surely cancer will be cured now that he is saving all the aspiring Oncologists and scientists that are gunned down every day.

life saving cancer treatments take decades to develop and years of clinical trails before being allowed for widespread use, yet EO's are like the recent new vaccines, they just appear and are accepted as the miracle cure.

 

[5MilesBack]

As far as I can tell, they´re both doing the exact same thing: Using executive action to implement gun control measures.

I don´t see a single relevant difference.

The difference is.....one is in the distant past and has already been overturned by the courts, and the other just happened today. Regardless, does it really matter who did it? EO gun control measures are invalid........unless they are dictating gun control for their administration. But even those measures could be fought and deemed unconstitutional as well.

 

[5MilesBack]

rant on / I've scanned this entire thread (and others like it) and can't find a single post from any of the Trump bashers or resident liberals that post their lefty nonsense on RS.

It's interesting that when Covid started and the lockdowns ensued......there were many NEW members that were all trying to push everyone towards "getting onboard with the restrictions" and staying home for the rest of our lives. They eventually disappeared.

Similar things happen whenever the idiocy of the left shows it's ugly head right at the forefront of our nation........they disappear.

 

[HighUintas]

rant on / I've scanned this entire thread (and others like it) and can't find a single post from any of the Trump bashers or resident liberals that post their lefty nonsense on RS. Maybe anyone that voted for Biden, especially if it was only to spite Trump, should come on this thread and apologize for bringing this crap on us. Funny how they up and vanish like a fart in the wind when their choice comes back to bite them in the A$$. / rant off

As for me...my guns will stay with me and will be kept upstairs so Biden can't get to them.

Proud Trump hater here. No, I'm not what you call liberal and I don't like Biden. No apology is coming from me.

 

[ramsdude47]

Obviously I’m in the minority here, but I don’t see anything in these executive orders that is an actual infringement on anyone’s rights.

Simply put, this will not actually effect me nor the majority of gun owners. The slippery slope argument is tiresome, next to nothing actually changed / “infringed rights” with 8 years of Obama. I suspect the same will hold true after the short 4 year Biden tenure.

 

[Laramie]

Proud Trump hater here. No, I'm not what you call liberal and I don't like Biden. No apology is coming from me.

Appreciate your candor. I don't care for Trump but I voted for him because he represented more of my beliefs than Biden. Do you think the country is in a better place with Biden in charge?

 

[Hoodie]

The difference is.....one is in the distant past and has already been overturned by the courts, and the other just happened today. Regardless, does it really matter who did it? EO gun control measures are invalid........unless they are dictating gun control for their administration. But even those measures could be fought and deemed unconstitutional as well.

I'm inclined to agree with you about EO gun measures being invalid.

My post is relevant as a response to the thing it was responding to. Which was a guy implying that this is what folks get for not voting for Trump or something.

I can only assume he was implying this wouldn't be happening in the present were Trump still president.

Now that it's been pointed out that both Trump and Biden are guilty of the same thing, that gentleman can rest easy knowing that things wouldn't be any better even if the election had gone differently.

 

[WCB]

Obviously I’m in the minority here, but I don’t see anything in these executive orders that is an actual infringement on anyone’s rights.

Simply put, this will not actually effect me nor the majority of gun owners. The slippery slope argument is tiresome, next to nothing actually changed / “infringed rights” with 8 years of Obama. I suspect the same will hold true after the short 4 year Biden tenure.

How about the rest of his speech where he calls for bans on assault weapons, magazine capacity limits, or allowing manufacturers to be sued because some moron shoots up a place with a firearm they built?

What happens if they ban certain types of braces on AR pistols...then require you to register that firearm and pay the $200 Fed Tax or turn in your firearm? doesn't infringe on it eh?

See the bold and italics quote in your statement. So you are saying it will effect gun owners. So you want them banning accessories like arm braces...how about next will be pistol grips, or maybe any shotgun that can hold more than 3 rounds. No muzzle breaks because it makes it easier to stay on target. Some of my examples are "far fetched" but would have the same effect on gun crime.

Also, just the mere statement of making it easier for states to make Red Flag laws should be disturbing.

 

[eddielasvegas]

WCB gets it. Not sure others in this thread do.


Eddie

 

[Jmort1754]

Red flag is the most disturbing for me.

This is the fastest way to get cops or agents “just following orders” killed.

The American public has put up with both sides of the aisle infringing on many god given rights.

A percentage of the public is ok with shit going on at the border under guise of humanitarian action. How many of those kids will be of voting age next election ?

 

[bsnedeker]

Obviously I’m in the minority here, but I don’t see anything in these executive orders that is an actual infringement on anyone’s rights.

Simply put, this will not actually effect me nor the majority of gun owners. The slippery slope argument is tiresome, next to nothing actually changed / “infringed rights” with 8 years of Obama. I suspect the same will hold true after the short 4 year Biden tenure.

Got it...you don't care what the government does as long as it doesn't affect you personally.

Good luck with that!

 

[ramsdude47]

I didn’t hear the speech, just read the EO’s. I can’t say I have listened to anything from Sleepy Joe since his humdrum inauguration. He is spot on, however, with this quote: “Gun violence in this country is an epidemic and it’s an international embarrassment”. Especially true if you include suicide, which I know many don’t.

I tend to agree with most of those things being reasonable. As I tend to agree it is reasonable that it’s exceptionally hard to get a full auto. The notable exception I disagree vehemently with is holding the manufacturers liable. However this is not a new proposition.

I admittedly don’t know enough about Red Flag laws, but would speculate it almost never happens and when it does it is for good reason. AKA it doesn’t apply to me or most gun owners. You pretty much played the slippery slope card, I’m not convinced (nor have I ever been) that argument has any substance.

 

[zion zig zag]

Red flag is the most disturbing for me.

Agreed. All it would take is an angry ex wife, or being on the wrong side of some small town sheriff, and *poof*, guns gone. I'm not saying that something shouldn't be done to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally unstable, just that the test and process for that to happen would have to be super tight.

 

[ramsdude47]

Got it...you don't care what the government does as long as it doesn't affect you personally.

Good luck with that!

You missed the part where I also included it doesn’t apply to the majority of gun owners.

 

[GSPHUNTER]

How about the rest of his speech where he calls for bans on assault weapons, magazine capacity limits, or allowing manufacturers to be sued because some moron shoots up a place with a firearm they built?

What happens if they ban certain types of braces on AR pistols...then require you to register that firearm and pay the $200 Fed Tax or turn in your firearm? doesn't infringe on it eh?

See the bold and italics quote in your statement. So you are saying it will effect gun owners. So you want them banning accessories like arm braces...how about next will be pistol grips, or maybe any shotgun that can hold more than 3 rounds. No muzzle breaks because it makes it easier to stay on target. Some of my examples are "far fetched" but would have the same effect on gun crime.

Also, just the mere statement of making it easier for states to make Red Flag laws should be disturbing.

I agree, one law at a time they are attacking our 2nd amendment right, until they no longer exist. their ultimate goal. Of that there is no doubt.

 

[gumbl3]

Agreed. All it would take is an angry ex wife, or being on the wrong side of some small town sheriff, and *poof*, guns gone. I'm not saying that something shouldn't be done to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally unstable, just that the test and process for that to happen would have to be super tight.

Or being conservative

 

[Laramie]

You missed the part where I also included it doesn’t apply to the majority of gun owners.

What purpose do you think the proposed laws serve? Do you really think the measures he is proposing would make America a safer place?

 

[ramsdude47]

Make it more challenging for another shooter like the kid in Boulder to do it again.

Prevent someone mentally unstable that has guns and a sinister plan BEFORE another mass shooting.

It’s all reactionary, and the manufacturers will find ways to get around the rules (as they always do). Either that or they won’t stick, being EO’s and not laws passed by Congress. I do believe reasonable measures can be passed to make America safer and not infringe on our rights. Most of the big mass shooting event involve legally purchased firearms.

The gangbangers killing each other in inner cities is sad, but would require sweeping / unreasonable reform to prevent.

 

[ODB]

You missed the part where I also included it doesn’t apply to the majority of gun owners.

Should all rights existent but not exercised be repealed or restricted?

Rights are not Shrodinger’s Cat - they don’t have to be exercised to exist or be valid.