Equipment versus practice posts and Rifle practice/shooting

[longmire-mt]

That’s a good score. Did you wear a pack and start each string with everything buckled and on?

Shoot. I may have misread the instructions. I only started string 3 with everything strapped and on. I keep my rifle in a scabbard on my pack and I used quickstix for the seated supported and prone so those were collapsed and strapped to my pack but just for string 3. I’ll have to give it another go this week.

 

[SkunkCabbage]

I use to do that (press down on the scope). Stop.

Use your support hand to hold the butt close to your shoulder. Thumb and pointer finger pinch the butt, holding a bag or something in the other 3 fingers to fill the gap also helps.

I’ll give this a try

 

[Formidilosus]

Shoot. I may have misread the instructions. I only started string 3 with everything strapped and on. I keep my rifle in a scabbard on my pack and I used quickstix for the seated supported and prone so those were collapsed and strapped to my pack but just for string 3. I’ll have to give it another go this week.

Yes sir. 15/20 is still good, it’s just that making 15/20 correctly as the drill is laid out with all gear on for strings 2 and 3- is very, very good.

 

[Firth]

Getting to prone in 15 seconds is the one I have the hardest time with.

 

[longmire-mt]

Yes sir. 15/20 is still good, it’s just that making 15/20 correctly as the drill is laid out with all gear on for strings 2 and 3- is very, very good.

Roger that. Excited to see how it goes next run through. I may have to switch to just using my pack for the support to make string 2 possible.

 

[SkunkCabbage]

I’d love to see a video from form or someone showing proper technique in these positions

 

[Bluumoon]

I’d love to see a video from form or someone showing proper technique in these positions

There’s a Shoot2Hunt school video series coming soon, it’ll cover it I’m sure.

 

[Brontosaurus]

@Formidilosus

What are your essential checks for getting stable on seated shots over a pack? Ie hand positions, shoulder connection, is the rifle resting on your shoulder as you pull it in or is your hand mostly holding it up as you tuck it into your shoulder?

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus

What are your essential checks for getting stable on seated shots over a pack? Ie hand positions, shoulder connection, is the rifle resting on your shoulder as you pull it in or is your hand mostly holding it up as you tuck it into your shoulder?

The shot process is the same from all positions-

1). Body position: Straight and neutral behind the gun, as low as you can get, with as many contact points as you can get. Support front first, then rear.

2). Breath control: Breath in, breath out, bottom of the respiratory pause.

3). Trigger control: Smooth and continues movement to the rear until the trigger breaks at 90°.

4). Reset and prep: See bullet impact/splash, vigorously, but controlled- rack the bolt, start back over at #2, and prep for follow up shots.




As for interfacing with the rifle; positive control. For rested positions, generally the rifle goes where it needs to, then the shooter moves as needed to control and support it.
Grip pressure is neutral but firm (about enough hold the rifle muzzle up with just the firing grip), shoulder pressure is about what the rifle weighs (8’ish pounds), or on rifles with heavy recoil- about as much as the recoil itself.
Face/cheek pressure is firm, but not smashed (let head drop fully onto cheek rest, then lift up about 1/8” to 1/4”.
Off hand controls rear of butt- usually by pinching with the thumb and forefinger.


I/we deviate quite a bit from the current PRS thoughts of as little contact as possible, basically no cheek weld, buttpad center of chest, etc.
That works fine for static targets, and where the shooter can get directly behind the rifle- I.E., tripods and contrived range positions. On targets that move, under stressors- excitement/time/cold/wet/tired; rifles that move, etc. it is not optimal.

 

[Brontosaurus]

The shot process is the same from all positions-

1). Body position: Straight and neutral behind the gun, as low as you can get, with as many contact points as you can get. Support front first, then rear.

2). Breath control: Breath in, breath out, bottom of the respiratory pause.

3). Trigger control: Smooth and continues movement to the rear until the trigger breaks at 90°.

4). Reset and prep: See bullet impact/splash, vigorously, but controlled- rack the bolt, start back over at #2, and prep for follow up shots.




As for interfacing with the rifle; positive control. For rested positions, generally the rifle goes where it needs to, then the shooter moves as needed to control and support it.
Grip pressure is neutral but firm (about enough hold the rifle muzzle up with just the firing grip), shoulder pressure is about what the rifle weighs (8’ish pounds), or on rifles with heavy recoil- about as much as the recoil itself.
Face/cheek pressure is firm, but not smashed (let head drop fully onto cheek rest, then lift up about 1/8” to 1/4”.
Off hand controls rear of butt- usually by pinching with the thumb and forefinger.


I/we deviate quite a bit from the current PRS thoughts of as little contact as possible, basically no cheek weld, buttpad center of chest, etc.
That works fine for static targets, and where the shooter can get directly behind the rifle- I.E., tripods and contrived range positions. On targets that move, under stressors- excitement/time/cold/wet/tired; rifles that move, etc. it is not optimal.

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

 

[TX_Diver]

I have been doing this slightly wrong as I have been doing the second part as 1 shot per 20 second par time.

I am starting with the rifle in a gun bearer, pack on, all straps buckled etc.
11/20 with SMK and 12/20 with fmj today.

to get my score based on the true rules subtract string 4 as I probably wouldn’t have made a second shot in 20 seconds.

 

[TX_Diver]

 

[longmire-mt]

Yes sir. 15/20 is still good, it’s just that making 15/20 correctly as the drill is laid out with all gear on for strings 2 and 3- is very, very good.

I’ve got some work to do. Did it correctly this time with all gear on in string 2. Only shot 10 out of 18. Missed the timer on two shots in string 2.

Any tips for making hits standing unsupported?

 

[Bluumoon]

Slippin. Will check zero to make myself feel better.

 

[Okie_Poke]

I really need to try this.

 

[jwpaddles]

Great read and process, real world experiences pay big dividends. Practice is key and the rest will fall into place.

 

[ztc92]

I’ve got some work to do. Did it correctly this time with all gear on in string 2. Only shot 10 out of 18. Missed the timer on two shots in string 2.

Any tips for making hits standing unsupported?

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I and others have asked about that earlier in the thread and received some helpful tips. Read back a few pages and if you can’t find that discussion let me know, I’ll track it down. Best thing for me was learning to hold the rifle with a similar form to shooting an AR. Get a steady base with good foot position and then hold the rifle with a tight c-clamp grip on the forend with support hand in order to pull the rifle into the shoulder pocket.