Elk Rifle

[uthuntr]

I have a 7saum and 300nmi that I’m currently using for most hunts. That 300nmi hits hard. Like knock down my steel plate every single time hard. You drew a sweet tag, and want a new rifle for the hunt. I get it and don’t blame you! Go splurge!!!!! Oh, and keep that nx8. If you don’t want it, I’ll trade you for the rokslide flavor of the week maven 2.1 plus some cash!!

Appreciate it! Curious if you’re not liking the Maven. Wish you made the jump for a little extra optic or just ready for an upgrade?

 

[Quandary]

You want a bigger caliber and better scope $3,000 budget. Buy these;

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[Quandary]

Yes in the dedicated NM draw thread and someone suggested don’t from now on haha. Don’t really care if it’s a secret. Also heard 300 prc is a juggernaut but kicks like a mule. Wish i could shoot one before dropping $$

I have a 300PRC in a Manners PH stock. I shoot it suppressed, so a little bit of recoil reduction. It really isn't that bad. Would I shoot box upon box in a range session, no. But 20 rounds developing a load, no problem.

 

[Shawn_Guinn]

You committed the rockslide cardinal sin by suggesting anything over a 6 mm lol. I did it no long ago and just got the gun I wanted in 300 prc. I’m primarily a bow hunter I can hunt elk with a 45 lb long bow and kill most things alive in North America with a 40 lb compound but I firmly believe we owe it to animal to maximize lethality. Now it’s one thing if all you can physically handle a 243 or you got injuries or your small framed shoot a 40 lb bow. But I’m big , strong and I like big draw weights and calibers flinging reasonably heavy arrows and bullets for when shit isn’t perfect. Never heard anyone say he killed the elk to dead….

 

[Jhconnected]

I find these arguments funny when many are killed with a bow and arrow every year.

 

[Shawn_Guinn]

I find these arguments funny when many are killed with a bow and arrow every year.

But in fairness different modes of action broadheads cut and slice creating hemorrhaging and blood loss. I can also very penetration effects with arrow weight, head design, bow and cam design draw weights and draw length. Rifles can’t realistically have that much variance even in the reloading world. I agree plenty of people kill em with small flat fast projectiles but nothing wrong with fast flat big projectiles either both definitely have advantages advantages

 

[RusticRiver]

.300WM with good glass will get you nearly everything you could ever want in a single rifle. The selection of projectiles (weights, makes, compositions) is enormous. Blacktail to inland griz and everything in between. I sure love my Christiansen Arms. I only buy new rifles because of want, not need after purchasing the 300.

Guys, are we serious about .223 for large game or are you just pulling my lariat? If you are...leave some ladies for the rest of us. (Just because you can, doesn't mean you should)

 

[Jhconnected]

But in fairness different modes of action broadheads cut and slice creating hemorrhaging and blood loss. I can also very penetration effects with arrow weight, head design, bow and cam design draw weights and draw length. Rifles can’t realistically have that much variance even in the reloading world. I agree plenty of people kill em with small flat fast projectiles but nothing wrong with fast flat big projectiles either both definitely have advantages advantages

Agreed. The point is that a big broadhead of any configuration can’t cause as much damage as a 6mm Creedmoor or 6.5 PRC.

 

[Deadspace]

.300WM with good glass will get you nearly everything you could ever want in a single rifle. The selection of projectiles (weights, makes, compositions) is enormous. Blacktail to inland griz and everything in between. I sure love my Christiansen Arms. I only buy new rifles because of want, not need after purchasing the 300.

Guys, are we serious about .223 for large game or are you just pulling my lariat? If you are...leave some ladies for the rest of us. (Just because you can, doesn't mean you should)

It’s effective but you need the right bullet. Took me a while to get on board but after killing two elk with a 223/77TMK combo, I’m a believer.

 

[RusticRiver]

It’s effective but you need the right bullet. Took me a while to get on board but after killing two elk with a 223/77TMK combo, I’m a believer.

I believe you and I'm certainly not going to argue if it works for you. I respect it but I just don't feel comfortable taking that small of a caliber into the elk woods when my shot distance may be anywhere from 50yds to 500yds, not to mention the chance of an ornery griz that wants to shake hands. (I prefer a fix blade broadhead anyway).

Cheers!

 

[wesfromky]

I believe you and I'm certainly not going to argue if it works for you. I respect it but I just don't feel comfortable taking that small of a caliber into the elk woods when my shot distance may be anywhere from 50yds to 500yds, not to mention the chance of an ornery griz that wants to shake hands. (I prefer a fix blade broadhead anyway).

Cheers!

It will probably take a few days to read it all, but it is worth it.

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Thread '.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.'

Jun 3, 2019

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I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened.

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Now for the delivery system. Accurate. Repeatable. Reliable. Reasonable weight to afford steady shot placement and the ability to spot my own impacts...

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[DiabeticKripple]

If you are dead set on buying a new rifle in a bigger cartridge, Id go something in 7PRC slinging 175gr ELD-X or 180gr ELD-M at 2950fps. High BC bullets that will carry their velocity out there with less wind drift.

 

[Deadspace]

I believe you and I'm certainly not going to argue if it works for you. I respect it but I just don't feel comfortable taking that small of a caliber into the elk woods when my shot distance may be anywhere from 50yds to 500yds, not to mention the chance of an ornery griz that wants to shake hands. (I prefer a fix blade broadhead anyway).

Cheers!

I hear ya man. It’s just an option, not the option. I also prefer a fixed blade. I’ll be taking a quiver full of them to Alaska this year to chase moose!

 

[nm.otter]

It will probably take a few days to read it all, but it is worth it.

Days?

 

[UTJL]

+1 for spend $500 on ammo for the 6.5 PRC, so you become a great shot and confident in it. Then save the $2500 for another tag.

A new rifle won’t make you a better shot, but more practice will. New gear isn’t going to make you a better hunter, but more tags will.

 

[wesfromky]

Days?

Not everyone is up for reading 500+ pages in a sitting. Breaking it up over a couple of days makes it way easier to digest.

 

[Dave0317]

Tikka T3x has impressed me a good bit. And I was a long time Remington 700 guy. Tikka is just smooth and simple, accurate, great trigger, etc.

will you be backpacking in or doing day hunts from a truck/base camp? With 300WM or the big 7mm calibers, I like to have a heavier rifle to soak up some recoil. Heavier barrel and add a suppressor. What’s your shooting background like and what distances do you see yourself being comfortable shooting?

That is one thing that hasn’t been communicated super great in this thread so far. More recoil pretty much always equals less accuracy. The hit rate of the 6.5s and smaller is the selling point. All that “energy” a 300 has doesn’t mean anything, if it reduces your hit rate by a significant margin. I think the figure stated before, was like 10 percent less hit rates for every 5 ft. Lbs of increased recoil.

Shoot this drill with a .223, and then shoot it with your 6.5 PRC, and then maybe borrow a .300 WM and shoot it with that. See if the recoil affects your score.

Thread 'Equipment versus practice posts and Rifle practice/shooting'

Mar 31, 2020

This isn’t in response to anyone I particular, but there is an up tick in the amount of “I want a XXXX distance hunting rifle” traffic the last few months. I am getting a lot of questions relating to this, which I do not mind helping, but thought a public post might help answer some questions. It’s an attempt to get to actually using your rifles.


People online tend to act like 600/800/whatever yards is a rifle, cartridge and BDC scope purchase away. When someone asks for advice, or says I’m building an -insert whatever rifle/cartridge you want-, people are discussing hardware not...

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Also listen to the Hunt Backcountry podcast on small calibers for Big Game.
And since you have a 6.5PRC, you may find the most recent Shoot2Hunt episode on that caliber to be interesting.


Just want you to have the resources and info to make an informed decision. Confidence is a big deal, and you want to know the rifle is capable enough, but if most of us really look at it logically, we have more confidence to be gained from higher hit rates than from bigger calibers.

 

[Jhconnected]

In this podcast, George Gardner, who essentially created the 6.5 PRC, along with the Hornady guys talk about using it on elk and bison.

They also talk about how often they are asked whether 6.5 PRC is enough for elk….which is a lot.

He also used a 20” suppressed 6.5 PRC which means less velocity/energy. Used 143 gr ELD-X.

 

[RusticRiver]

Tikka T3x has impressed me a good bit. And I was a long time Remington 700 guy. Tikka is just smooth and simple, accurate, great trigger, etc.

will you be backpacking in or doing day hunts from a truck/base camp? With 300WM or the big 7mm calibers, I like to have a heavier rifle to soak up some recoil. Heavier barrel and add a suppressor. What’s your shooting background like and what distances do you see yourself being comfortable shooting?

That is one thing that hasn’t been communicated super great in this thread so far. More recoil pretty much always equals less accuracy. The hit rate of the 6.5s and smaller is the selling point. All that “energy” a 300 has doesn’t mean anything, if it reduces your hit rate by a significant margin. I think the figure stated before, was like 10 percent less hit rates for every 5 ft. Lbs of increased recoil.

Shoot this drill with a .223, and then shoot it with your 6.5 PRC, and then maybe borrow a .300 WM and shoot it with that. See if the recoil affects your score.

Thread 'Equipment versus practice posts and Rifle practice/shooting'

Mar 31, 2020

This isn’t in response to anyone I particular, but there is an up tick in the amount of “I want a XXXX distance hunting rifle” traffic the last few months. I am getting a lot of questions relating to this, which I do not mind helping, but thought a public post might help answer some questions. It’s an attempt to get to actually using your rifles.


People online tend to act like 600/800/whatever yards is a rifle, cartridge and BDC scope purchase away. When someone asks for advice, or says I’m building an -insert whatever rifle/cartridge you want-, people are discussing hardware not...

• Formidilosus
• Replies: 715
• Forum: Firearms

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Also listen to the Hunt Backcountry podcast on small calibers for Big Game.
And since you have a 6.5PRC, you may find the most recent Shoot2Hunt episode on that caliber to be interesting.


Just want you to have the resources and info to make an informed decision. Confidence is a big deal, and you want to know the rifle is capable enough, but if most of us really look at it logically, we have more confidence to be gained from higher hit rates than from bigger calibers.

Great post but we need to remember that felt recoil can be heavily dependent on the construction of independent rifles. My .270 Savage 110 kicks like an absolute mule and I hate target shooting it but it has sentimental value. My Tika lite 6.5 is snappy too and I'm not crazy about putting a box through it in one sitting. My .300WM (Christiansen Mesa) is an absolute dream to shoot with or without the brake, and its weight difference is negligible in comparison to the others. Its more of a push, versus a "kick" and I can shoot this all day long, or until my wallet is empty. Now I don't know if its the construction or just an overall characteristic of the caliber but there is a considerable difference.

Hell, I even prefer shooting my old steel butt-plated British .303 over the .270 and 6.5cred most days. Everyone is different and it might even come down to the way we each shoulder out rifle (or the anatomy of our shoulders altogether).

 

[nm.otter]

Not everyone is up for reading 500+ pages in a sitting. Breaking it up over a couple of days makes it way easier to digest.

I was being facetious. It took me the better part of two months to get through it.