DOD seizes 100,000+ acres of BLM land along Mexican border

[cuerro viejo]

Will see what the courts and Congress do. Remember Orange Man is bad and lots of folks with a black robe can stop whatever he/she/it wants to.

Courts can do ZERO, It’s already federal land. It’s not different then down sizing National monument and give controlling authority back to BLM or NFS

 

[nm.otter]

We live about 90 minutes from that border and have essentially zero impact from migrants. Why? Because we don't have jobs here -- and we're not on the way to anyplace that does have jobs.

If you want to stop the flow of migrants, go after the employers who profit from them. Once the entire TX construction industry comes to a grinding halt and the price of chicken and pork triples, we might actually be able to have reasonable discussions on a workable policy for legal immigration.

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

Courts can do ZERO, It’s already federal land. It’s not different then down sizing National monument and give controlling authority back to BLM or NFS

Good to know that if anyone files a lawsuit, with or without merit, it will be immediately tossed.

On a somewhat related note, anyone know if there really is a three year time limit on this effort? If so, it is a bandaid that makes a nice soundbite.

The Department of Interior is also transferring about 110,000 acres of border land to the military for a period of three years to strengthen border enforcement.

 

[wapitibob]

"Can you imagine having camo and a gun in that country, with an agency that has been let off the leash and the potential for people with brown skin tones to be shot and killed? That terrifies me."

The newly minted military zone doesn't appear yet on the maps Trejo uses when he's out hunting, he said.

"When I get a hunting tag I am doing backflips in my office because it’s a real privilege to hunt," said Trejo, who also serves as southern outreach coordinator for the New Mexico Wildlife Federation."

No surprise this dipshiit works for NMWF.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Good to know that if anyone files a lawsuit, with or without merit, it will be immediately tossed.

On a somewhat related note, anyone know if there really is a three year time limit on this effort? If so, it is a bandaid that makes a nice soundbite.

The Department of Interior is also transferring about 110,000 acres of border land to the military for a period of three years to strengthen border enforcement.

Who is going to file it? What injuried party? Dept of Interior filing against DoD?

 

[2buffalo]

If DOD "owns' that strip along the border, then DOD is legally allowed to secure that border. It is a long narrow strip I believe assigned to FT Huachuca. It is actually a genius move.

I agree this is a genius move. What would make it even better if they cover it with razor wire, build military installations, and make them permanent military bases. It would be the perfect way to protect our border rather than protecting everyone else's borders.

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

Who is going to file it? What injuried party? Dept of Interior filing against DoD?

Your faith in environmental and other groups that dislike the Orange Man is admirable. This is a 3 year deal, unless something changes, so I'd not get too excited about it. Only takes one person to be arrested for trespass, a lawyer, a friendly judge, Trump's own words, and claim it violates the Posse Comitatus Act. They don't have to win to be successful.

I am genuinely looking forward for someone to explain why these "lawsuits" against military bases don't count:

Groups sue over groundwater pumping linked to Arizona Army base, warning river is at risk

Conservation groups have sued to press for reexamination of groundwater pumping tied to Fort Huachuca, saying water use threatens the San Pedro River.

www.azcentral.com

The race to save a bombing range butterfly

The insect is reduced to a single foothold inside the busiest National Guard training center in the country: Pennsylvania’s Fort Indiantown Gap.

www.spotlightpa.org

Hopefully the same individual(s) chiming in above will explain how a court was able to tell the Army that it cannot do live fire exercises on a base:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b084e78ee1759c1c50968e5/t/5d740c1897964602d657b00a/1567886360322/Court+Confirms+No+Live-Fire+Training+at+M%C4%81kua+until+Army+Completes+Missing+Studies+%7C+Earthjustice.pdf

 

[cuerro viejo]

Your faith in environmental and other groups that dislike the Orange Man is admirable. This is a 3 year deal, unless something changes, so I'd not get too excited about it. Only takes one person to be arrested for trespass, a lawyer, a friendly judge, Trump's own words, and claim it violates the Posse Comitatus Act. They don't have to win to be successful.

I am genuinely looking forward for someone to explain why these "lawsuits" against military bases don't count:

Groups sue over groundwater pumping linked to Arizona Army base, warning river is at risk

Conservation groups have sued to press for reexamination of groundwater pumping tied to Fort Huachuca, saying water use threatens the San Pedro River.

www.azcentral.com

The race to save a bombing range butterfly

The insect is reduced to a single foothold inside the busiest National Guard training center in the country: Pennsylvania’s Fort Indiantown Gap.

www.spotlightpa.org

Hopefully the same individual(s) chiming in above will explain how a court was able to tell the Army that it cannot do live fire exercises on a base:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b084e78ee1759c1c50968e5/t/5d740c1897964602d657b00a/1567886360322/Court+Confirms+No+Live-Fire+Training+at+M%C4%81kua+until+Army+Completes+Missing+Studies+%7C+Earthjustice.pdf

Your link is environmental concerns in Hawaii…… court only intervened after 4 years after the Army failed to conduct the studies about live fire testing affecting food safety that they agreed todo … quite the stretch


Has nothing to do with faith, if it sticks it sticks if it doesn’t it doesn’t, it’s no different then returning monument land back to BLM or NF governance, and then back to National Monument.

I think it’s the right direction, it’s pretty simple thought process. I believe there should be a buff on southern border, Under military jurisdiction even better. For one a President is actually making campaign promises a priority

 

[Blowdowner]

I like many of your responses but this is not "good". It's unacceptable. There's a million ways to fix the problem without seizing our land. How about take a 3 mile swath on THEIR side if the border. Temporarily.

 

[RyanT26]

I like many of your responses but this is not "good". It's unacceptable. There's a million ways to fix the problem without seizing our land. How about take a 3 mile swath on THEIR side if the border. Temporarily.

I think that would be called an invasion.

 

[elkhunter505]

I think that would be called an invasion.

Agreed, we already invade too many countries as is shown by our defense budget. There’s gotta be a better way which I believe is reforming the legal immigration system and fixing the drug demand issue. If there wasn’t the astronomical time to legally immigrate, the vast majority of people would not cross illegally. I am not sure anyone is wanting to turn away good people fleeing warn torn countries. Seems like fixing the system itself would be a long term solution in my opinion. I’m not sure anyone in Congress wants to permanently fix it though because it is a good campaign issue.

 

[Hydra6]

I like many of your responses but this is not "good". It's unacceptable. There's a million ways to fix the problem without seizing our land. How about take a 3 mile swath on THEIR side if the border. Temporarily.

There is a lot of land available to hunt, hike, etc. still.

 

[Hydra6]

Agreed, we already invade too many countries as is shown by our defense budget. There’s gotta be a better way which I believe is reforming the legal immigration system and fixing the drug demand issue. If there wasn’t the astronomical time to legally immigrate, the vast majority of people would not cross illegally. I am not sure anyone is wanting to turn away good people fleeing warn torn countries. Seems like fixing the system itself would be a long term solution in my opinion. I’m not sure anyone in Congress wants to permanently fix it though because it is a good campaign issue.

This has nothing to do with legal immigration. This is an "invasion" designed to destroy our nation by using our own Democracy/Constitutional Republic against us. Half+ of Congress does not want to fix as they are in on it.

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

Your link is environmental concerns in Hawaii…… court only intervened after 4 years after the Army failed to conduct the studies about live fire testing affecting food safety that they agreed todo … quite the stretch


Has nothing to do with faith, if it sticks it sticks if it doesn’t it doesn’t, it’s no different then returning monument land back to BLM or NF governance, and then back to National Monument.

I think it’s the right direction, it’s pretty simple thought process. I believe there should be a buff on southern border, Under military jurisdiction even better. For one a President is actually making campaign promises a priority

Going to preface this again that I do want things to permanently improve on the borders.

I believe it was a stretch for folks on this site to imply that it is an impossibility for a court to get involved when it comes to military land. Despite what these same individuals claimed courts did get involved on the military base in Hawaii, intervened on behalf of protected butterflies on an artillery range (think it was PA), and the Marines killing protected tortoises (will give this one a pass as it was vague on where they did the killing - on the initial base lands or the extension land).

All it takes is for one person to be arrested for trespassing (doesn't even have to an illegal) to get a lawyer, file a lawsuit in a "friendly" district, and claim that the military doesn't have authority to do so under the Posse Comitatus Act. They don't have to ultimately win the case to be successful. The way things are going, I would not be surprised in a member of Congress did "oversight" work by storming the NDA and forcing the issue.

Here's Round 1:

Federal judge dismisses trespassing charges against 98 people arrested in new military buffer zone along Southwest border

A judge has dismissed trespassing charges against 98 people who were arrested along the Southwestern border for entering the newly created National Defense Area.

abcnews.go.com

Lesson Learned: Go in at night and claim you didn't see the signs.

 

[Hydra6]

Posse Comitatus Act does not apply to base security. That strip is now considered US DoD land. We have DoD facilities all over US soil with "no trespassing" - ever see a successful Posse Comitatus Act challenge?

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

Posse Comitatus Act does not apply to base security. That strip is now considered US DoD land. We have DoD facilities all over US soil with "no trespassing" - ever see a successful Posse Comitatus Act challenge?

Insane that folks on this site are unable to comprehend that a person can get a successful outcome without ultimately winning.

 

[Hydra6]

Insane that folks on this site are unable to comprehend that a person can get a successful outcome without ultimately winning.

Have you ever been responsible for DoD property or facilities? I have - I have a different perspective.

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

Have you ever been responsible for DoD property or facilities? I have - I have a different perspective.

So in your professional experience there has never been a single instance in the history of the US where a court got involved with anything involving a military base?

Guess this one never happened...

Air Force Settles $25 Million Lawsuit for F-16 Strafing Run That Killed Contractor

Charles Holbrook, a retired master sergeant, died Jan. 31, 2017, at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico.

www.military.com

 

[cuerro viejo]

Going to preface this again that I do want things to permanently improve on the borders.

I believe it was a stretch for folks on this site to imply that it is an impossibility for a court to get involved when it comes to military land. Despite what these same individuals claimed courts did get involved on the military base in Hawaii, intervened on behalf of protected butterflies on an artillery range (think it was PA), and the Marines killing protected tortoises (will give this one a pass as it was vague on where they did the killing - on the initial base lands or the extension land).

All it takes is for one person to be arrested for trespassing (doesn't even have to an illegal) to get a lawyer, file a lawsuit in a "friendly" district, and claim that the military doesn't have authority to do so under the Posse Comitatus Act. They don't have to ultimately win the case to be successful. The way things are going, I would not be surprised in a member of Congress did "oversight" work by storming the NDA and forcing the issue.

Here's Round 1:

Federal judge dismisses trespassing charges against 98 people arrested in new military buffer zone along Southwest border

A judge has dismissed trespassing charges against 98 people who were arrested along the Southwestern border for entering the newly created National Defense Area.

abcnews.go.com

Lesson Learned: Go in at night and claim you didn't see the signs.

Let’s see what happens… want to bet on if that land gets transferred to DOD authority?

You are missing the point of transferring that land to a different use doctrine, it’s not to set up a range, or massive base it’s using DOD federal laws to in rich trespass and detainee ability. There is no environmental impact, infact environmental impact maybe the best reason to implement it.. aka to suppress foot traffic and littering that’s destroying it……

Again there has to be a damaged party….

 

[yfarm]

Read about what happened to School of the Americas protesters that trespassed on Ft Benning Ga. Then apply the same to trespassing on this military reservation. Have a friend whose wife stepped over the line, was arrested for trespassing.Tried in a military court with different rules than civilian courts, convicted and spent 1 yr in a minimum security federal prison. She no longer attends the annual protests. This action I believe was taken to forestall tactics immigration attorneys use.