I'm not Form.... but the .223 drops below 1800fps between 400-450 depending on your density altitude which is the velocity threshold for the tmk to work with almost 100% certainty. In Form's case I believe they were testing to see what the bullet would do at a lower velocity threshold. If I remember correctly it was also a very controlled situation where he was using an mk12 AR so he could send bullets very quickly and he had an experienced spotter watching for him.Both those explanations make great sense, thanks. So, in reading the 223 thread, Form kills a bull at like 802 yards and everyone agrees you can't tell the diff in the damage from a 300 or 7 or whatever. So knowing that, why do you say the 223 isn't suitable for the distances I suggested? 500 yds I think I said.