Deciding on a 22 and is the ARC really that great?

[Moose83]

Both those explanations make great sense, thanks. So, in reading the 223 thread, Form kills a bull at like 802 yards and everyone agrees you can't tell the diff in the damage from a 300 or 7 or whatever. So knowing that, why do you say the 223 isn't suitable for the distances I suggested? 500 yds I think I said.

I'm not Form.... but the .223 drops below 1800fps between 400-450 depending on your density altitude which is the velocity threshold for the tmk to work with almost 100% certainty. In Form's case I believe they were testing to see what the bullet would do at a lower velocity threshold. If I remember correctly it was also a very controlled situation where he was using an mk12 AR so he could send bullets very quickly and he had an experienced spotter watching for him.

 

[coyotekilla]

Folllowing as I made the decision to narrow the entire arsenal to 2 calibers. 22 &6.5. The 6.5 I am running a CM and Grendel. The 22 only have 223 and want a faster version as I “think” I will have an easier wind call. I don’t know and am looking forward the same information as the OP. Yes I am being a CS and trying to buy my way into being a better shooter beyond practice. I also can’t get the itch scratched for new toys.

In my opinion, and it's just that, speed is cool but drift resistance is a product of bc. Speed affects it some, bc effects it alot. Speed helps alot with terminal effect. Something about hitting a target with speed that amplifies the hydrostatic shock effect.

Im not a physics professor, I just observe alot of varmit funeral services. 17 hornet thru 6.5 prc

 

[The Guide]

Both those explanations make great sense, thanks. So, in reading the 223 thread, Form kills a bull at like 802 yards and everyone agrees you can't tell the diff in the damage from a 300 or 7 or whatever. So knowing that, why do you say the 223 isn't suitable for the distances I suggested? 500 yds I think I said.

Thanks for all the input. Really appreciate the discussion. I like the idea that the ARC ammo is pretty comparable to the 223 IF you are buying factory heavies. If that is indeed true, I can make a better case for the ARC.

For those with more experience and probably have even read more (I did see the AK Moose vid)... I kill virtually all of my animals at 40-150 yards. Hunt timber almost exclusively and sometimes I'll get a chance at something at 150. There are places I could shoot 400+, even 800 or whatever, but honestly, have not had that opportunity come up. So, I'm in the woods and the bull is 75 yards... any diff 'Really' in penetration and deathing between these three guns, all with their heavies?

You mentioned up to 800 yards in one post so I was trying to give you more than the minimum. If you are sub-500 yards 100% of the time and not trying to use a 16" barrel 223/5.56 (my 16" is 200 fps slower than my 22") you "should" be fine with a 223 and the 77tmk but the 22 ARC and the 75 ELDM/80 ELDX/88 ELDM would allow you to do the same thing in a shorter package. Whichever you choose, make sure you practice to your desired max range and past it and hold yourself accountable for not shooting past your self set limit.

Jay