CWD: Interesting article from WY

[muleyapprentice]

To me this isn’t a question of if CWD exist, it’s how big of an issue is it? what management options exist besides reducing the herd?

@IdahoBeav asking the real question of at what cost

 

[Predator_SD]

CWD Year 2024

This is showing a 10% prevalence rate in Wisconsin, I’m glad your state is doing well but I don’t think that applys to a different species with much more prevalence

Sorry man i hate to inform you but almost NO ONE has their deer tested in WI.

That link you gave shows only 17013 deer were tested but hunters killed 321844 deer this past season. So 5% were tested. I highly doubt you can even remotely ascertain prevalence numbers off such a small sample size.

What is probably a more significant stat is that 321844 deer were killed total in 2024. CWD was discovered in WI in 2001. In the 90s through to 2000 you know what hunters killed on average? You got it, right around 300,000 to 340,000 deer. So much for all the deer being wiped out from CWD. Zero decline in kill number after CWD being around 25 years AND record number of kills from 2001-2015 due to the DNR giving out unlimited tags to kill em all.

CWD alarmism is the Covid of the deer world.

 

[Predator_SD]

How many are killed by rifles? I wonder if the stats even out or if there's so many the crossbow increase doesn't matter. Regardless, if you're only at 10% like that above poster stated then it's neither here nor there. The guy I talked to was speaking of a region that was really bad, not statewide, he was saying something like 60%-80%.

Rifle Buck kills have been about the same for decades. Right around 100,000.




The only thing that’s changed is crossbow hunters that are clearly targeting bucks and having high success rates due to being able to INSANELY use them from mid Sept through Jan 31. Who can’t target and kill a buck with a crossbow in 5 months!

But, i’ve still never heard the DNR keeping tabs on age class.

 

[IdahoBeav]

CWD alarmism is the Covid of the deer world.

This is what worries me. Some things just cannot be remedied.

 

[Predator_SD]

This is what worries me. Some things just cannot be remedied.

Well, that’s not exactly true. If we hunt down and kill every single deer and elk on the continent to the point of extinction CWD will then be eliminated.

 

[zrodwyo]

My buck tested positive for CWD this past season. That is my 4th CWD positive buck between Wyoming and Colorado.

 

[muleyapprentice]

I see what your saying @Predator_SD
Is cwd what we think it is if your population doesn’t drop as cwd rises?

I just don’t see a strong correlation to Wyoming mule deer.

 

[atmat]

If prions scare you stop hunting. Do your part in helping the populations rebound.

I wish there was an eye roll reaction. Alas, not.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Sorry man i hate to inform you but almost NO ONE has their deer tested in WI.

That link you gave shows only 17013 deer were tested but hunters killed 321844 deer this past season. So 5% were tested. I highly doubt you can even remotely ascertain prevalence numbers off such a small sample size.

What is probably a more significant stat is that 321844 deer were killed total in 2024. CWD was discovered in WI in 2001. In the 90s through to 2000 you know what hunters killed on average? You got it, right around 300,000 to 340,000 deer. So much for all the deer being wiped out from CWD. Zero decline in kill number after CWD being around 25 years AND record number of kills from 2001-2015 due to the DNR giving out unlimited tags to kill em all.

CWD alarmism is the Covid of the deer world.

No one except your DNR of course. A percentage of 17013 deer is still a relevant stat.

You know what else has changes since 2001, probably got twice the hunters out there too. Either way it ain't about numbers it's about quality, if your age class is 3 years younger that makes a big difference.

You're clearly overly emotional and finding stats to backup your feelings, and anyone who tries to draw similarities between CWD and Covid has clear markers of reaching for straws trying to gain some sort of emotional support. Talk to us when Pfizer comes out with a CWD vaccine and mandates the states to adminster it. The two aren't even in the same realm, but you keep on the good fight and keep ignoring the stats. Hopefully with the money being spent on research we'll find out just how big of a deal, or not, it actually is, but the extreme emotional response on both sides over the "discussion" aren't worth a steamer.

 

[TaperPin]

I offended someone so my comments are getting delete by moderators?

 

[NRA4LIFE]

No one except your DNR of course. A percentage of 17013 deer is still a relevant stat.

You know what else has changes since 2001, probably got twice the hunters out there too. Either way it ain't about numbers it's about quality, if your age class is 3 years younger that makes a big difference.

You're clearly overly emotional and finding stats to backup your feelings, and anyone who tries to draw similarities between CWD and Covid has clear markers of reaching for straws trying to gain some sort of emotional support. Talk to us when Pfizer comes out with a CWD vaccine and mandates the states to adminster it. The two aren't even in the same realm, but you keep on the good fight and keep ignoring the stats. Hopefully with the money being spent on research we'll find out just how big of a deal, or not, it actually is, but the extreme emotional response on both sides over the "discussion" aren't worth a steamer.

Between 1999 and 2023 in WI, there was an 11% increase in deer licenses sold.

 

[Predator_SD]

No one except your DNR of course. A percentage of 17013 deer is still a relevant stat.

You know what else has changes since 2001, probably got twice the hunters out there too. Either way it ain't about numbers it's about quality, if your age class is 3 years younger that makes a big difference.

You're clearly overly emotional and finding stats to backup your feelings, and anyone who tries to draw similarities between CWD and Covid has clear markers of reaching for straws trying to gain some sort of emotional support. Talk to us when Pfizer comes out with a CWD vaccine and mandates the states to adminster it. The two aren't even in the same realm, but you keep on the good fight and keep ignoring the stats. Hopefully with the money being spent on research we'll find out just how big of a deal, or not, it actually is, but the extreme emotional response on both sides over the "discussion" aren't worth a steamer.

No, not the DNR you’re not understanding how it works in WI.

It’s OPTIONAL so the only deer tested are the ones hunters decide to get tested. 17000 deer is irrelevant out of 321,000 killed.

Though some numb nut DNR “researcher” did get a wolf killed deer tested post mortem that ended up CWD positive. His brilliant assertion was CWD allowed the wolves to overpower and kill this deer. You know, as opposed to any other deer they kill on a daily basis by simply running them down to the point of exhaustion. Very reminiscent of the guy killed on his motorcycle in FL cause he hit a tree and they called it a Covid death with the explanation Covid clouded his judgement causing him to hit the tree. Drawing similarities between Covid hysteria/fear mongering and CWD hysteria/fear mongering is very relevant.

Emotion has nothing to do with it. I’m tired of taxpayer dollars being wasted so some professor can “research” CWD for his entire career with zero benefit to anything related to deer or society.

Man, where would we be without all these University mental giants!

 

[Predator_SD]

I wish there was an eye roll reaction. Alas, not.

If you are afraid of eating prions in deer the only logical thing to do is stop eating deer.

That would also mean though you’d have to stop hunting them. And if ALL the “sky is falling” hunters quit cause they were actually concerned about deer populations dropping guess what? There would be way more deer! Weird that killing more and more deer is somehow leading to less deer Couldn’t be that MUST BE CWD.

I know, probably far too logical for a lot of people to comprehend.

 

[Predator_SD]

Between 1999 and 2023 in WI, there was an 11% increase in deer licenses sold.

Please provide your source because that’s BS. In WI hunting license sales have been in the DECLINE for 20 years.

“The analysis of all archery and firearms deer license data from 2005 through 2022 shows Wisconsin lost 65,000 deer hunters those years, a nearly 10% decline from roughly 672,000 hunters to about 607,000. Most of that decline, 51,000 deer hunters (78.5%), occurred since 2014.”

New Research: Wisconsin Deer Hunter Numbers Still Falling

More females and crossbow hunters joined Wisconsin’s deer hunting’s ranks the past decade, but they didn’t halt the state’s nearly 20-year decline in hunter numbers and license sales. That’s one takeaway from a recent Department of Naturals Resources study by the agency’s science operations...

www.patrickdurkinoutdoors.com

DNR says number of hunters on the decline in Wisconsin

23 years ago, Wisconsin had about 700,000 hunters. In 2023, that number is 600,000

www.wsaw.com

DNR: 2023 deer hunters declined in Wisconsin compared to 2022

MADISON, Wis. (CBS 58) -- The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources (DNR) announced preliminary deer harvest and license sale totals for the opening weekend of the 2023 gun deer season. The data shows

www.cbs58.com

https://cdn.apl.wisc.edu/publications/APL_hunter_brief_final.pdf

 

[ScreamingPotato]

No, not the DNR you’re not understanding how it works in WI.

It’s OPTIONAL so the only deer tested are the ones hunters decide to get tested. 17000 deer is irrelevant out of 321,000 killed.

Though some numb nut DNR “researcher” did get a wolf killed deer tested post mortem that ended up CWD positive. His brilliant assertion was CWD allowed the wolves to overpower and kill this deer. You know, as opposed to any other deer they kill on a daily basis by simply running them down to the point of exhaustion. Very reminiscent of the guy killed on his motorcycle in FL cause he hit a tree and they called it a Covid death with the explanation Covid clouded his judgement causing him to hit the tree. Drawing similarities between Covid hysteria/fear mongering and CWD hysteria/fear mongering is very relevant.

Emotion has nothing to do with it. I’m tired of taxpayer dollars being wasted so some professor can “research” CWD for his entire career with zero benefit to anything related to deer or society.

Man, where would we be without all these University mental giants!

The percentage of 17,000 is highly relevant for statistics, you don't need to test every single dead deer lol.

So you were going on earlier about where's the proof, show me the proof. Now you're not wanting to spend tax dollars on research that will give you what you want, proof of whether it's a problem or not and how to handle it. This research is in it's infancy right now, you can't demand proof and not find it stating tax dollar fatigue.

 

[muleyapprentice]

I know, probably far too logical for a lot of people to comprehend.

That’s ironic. Whether you emotionally accept it or not, 10% and rising of WI has CWD. 17000 of 321000 is 18%. At that sample size accuracy will be +\- 1.27%. (Mental giants do math to know that). I’m logging off and hope next thread we can have productive conversations on WY mule deer

 

[NRA4LIFE]

Uh huh, so are you even sure what you’re arguing????

Is CWD killing all the deer, lowering Buck age classes, lowering populations?

OR

Are the increased number of hunters in the woods on top of the addition of crossbows during regular archery season killing all the deer, lowering Buck age classes, and lowering deer populations?

Huh?? I'm not arguing anything. Someone posted there are twice as many hunters and I was just throwing out statistics.

 

[Predator_SD]

The percentage of 17,000 is highly relevant for statistics, you don't need to test every single dead deer lol.

So you were going on earlier about where's the proof, show me the proof. Now you're not wanting to spend tax dollars on research that will give you what you want, proof of whether it's a problem or not and how to handle it. This research is in it's infancy right now, you can't demand proof and not find it stating tax dollar fatigue.

We’ve had 25 years of research and all they have proven is CWD exists. They to this day have NO IDEA how it effects deer herds. Yet, deer herds are as strong as ever.

Enough of the govt bloat.

 

[NRA4LIFE]

That’s ironic. Whether you emotionally accept it or not, 10% and rising of WI has CWD. 17000 of 321000 is 18%. At that sample size accuracy will be +\- 1.27%. (Mental giants do math to know that). I’m logging off and hope next thread we can have productive conversations on WY mule deer

I think you might want to redo your math.

 

[WyoBC_99]

Story of local WI herd declines as opposed to statewide:

CWD decimating southwestern Wisconsin deer herds, officials say

The exact degree of population declines, however, will depend on local hunter harvest and recruitment rates, the report authors say.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

And I second the statement about the higher demographic growth rate in whitetail compared to mule deer means they are able to sustain more loss to disease (or any other cause) before showing population declines.