CPW - ‘Righting’ some Wrongs

[Hnthrdr]

Call it what you want. I didnt create it or make the rules.

Fact remains, you can draw a tag 100% with 0 points for deer in any of these units in the first draw. Even if you had ALL the tags, you still wouldn't draw a tag every year in most of the unlisted units....

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I’m not going to nit pick, but most of the state to the east of 25 is private/ leased hunting land, and I can see several units that are 1 point draws for residents on your list, but I get it’s hard for you to concede that NR should not be entitled to 35%+ of tags in draw units, Co has been more than generous for far too long

 

[MallardSX2]

The amount of funding that NR's have provided to the CPW over the years is what's been far too generous IMHO. We have been overpaying and underappreciated for far too long.

"Biting the hand that feeds you"

Or in this case, "Biting the hand that funds you"

What I find really humorous is that you can't even find a pie chart these days showing the breakdown of funding of resident license sales VS nr license sales.... The CPW really doesn't like to show that one anymore. Especially when they are taking opportunities away from NR hunters. lol Talk about embarrassing.

 

[Hnthrdr]

The amount of funding that NR's have provided to the CPW over the years is what's been far too generous IMHO. We have been overpaying and underappreciated for far too long.

"Biting the hand that feeds you"

Or in this case, "Biting the hand that funds you"

What I find really humorous is that you can't even find a pie chart these days showing the breakdown of funding of resident license sales VS nr license sales.... The CPW really doesn't like to show that one anymore. Especially when they are taking opportunities away from NR hunters. lol Talk about embarrassing.

The cpw has been extremely over fed in the last couple of decades. So much so that they took the struggling parks under their wing and really got screwed up. That gov agency could use some leaning out… way too much of their money goes to special interest bs and not to funding conservation or opening access for fishing and hunting. Also all Co res would gladly pay more if you stayed home, which if you feel like you are being cheated or exploited by Co then why don’t you just stay home?

 

[MallardSX2]

If residents want me to stay at home, then they should put their money where their mouth is. Ask for your license fees to be increased so you have more skin in the game to take more tags away from me. Thats what I would be doing if I was in your shoes.

However, if Colorado residents had to pay the delta from NR's staying at home you could likely fill the Colorado River with saltwater from all the tears. A resident paying $700.98 for an elk license instead of $57.90.... Wow, that river would be running FULL. lol

 

[Hnthrdr]

If residents want me to stay at home, then they should put their money where their mouth is. Ask for your license fees to be increased so you have more skin in the game to take more tags away from me. Thats what I would be doing if I was in your shoes.

However, if Colorado residents had to pay the delta from NR's staying at home you could likely fill the Colorado River with saltwater from all the tears. A resident paying $700.98 for an elk license instead of $57.90.... Wow, that river would be running FULL. lol

I’d pay it with a smile if it meant that much less pressure and getting to hunt animals instead of playing other hunters pressure. If it’s too much for you or you feel like you are getting a raw deal just protest by staying home bub… you forget that we live in the trailers on really expensive land, plenty of disposable income

 

[fngTony]

Cooler heads are more productive in finding solutions. Putting money and personal greed ahead of conservation is when the wheels fall off.

 

[sndmn11]

If residents want me to stay at home, then they should put their money where their mouth is. Ask for your license fees to be increased so you have more skin in the game to take more tags away from me. Thats what I would be doing if I was in your shoes.

However, if Colorado residents had to pay the delta from NR's staying at home you could likely fill the Colorado River with saltwater from all the tears. A resident paying $700.98 for an elk license instead of $57.90.... Wow, that river would be running FULL. lol

Or we could do neither. CPW literally has positions whose primary duty is to spend money so that they meet their requirements. Nobody would be upset if there was less to spend. The idea that the excess spending is "going to conservation" is a fallacy. It just goes to personnel and stuff that is at whatever step is past a luxury.

I would be happy to support a movement that NR can only obtain hunt codes via the secondary draw or the leftover/reissue lists like you posted above.

 

[WTFJohn]

If residents want me to stay at home, then they should put their money where their mouth is. Ask for your license fees to be increased so you have more skin in the game to take more tags away from me. Thats what I would be doing if I was in your shoes.

However, if Colorado residents had to pay the delta from NR's staying at home you could likely fill the Colorado River with saltwater from all the tears. A resident paying $700.98 for an elk license instead of $57.90.... Wow, that river would be running FULL. lol

Your sense of self-worth and entitlement is humorous. What will we do without your 3 tanks of gas, two meals, and that pair of socks you needed in our sales tax coffers?

While hunting as a whole does bring valuable dollars to western states, the idea of "bow to me, the almighty $700-tag buying NR" as if you personally are bringing all the money into the state is laughable when compared to the amount a full-time resident of the state will pay through the course of a year, or even the amount a family of 4 will pay over the course of a 5 day ski trip.

Your posts have shown that you're the fair-weather fan of the 'hunting is conservation' world. The mentality of "If I can't get my tag, then f***-em" shows that you're fully in this for yourself, and not much else. I'd probably put some thought into that before I came back out west, lest you give residents a bad impression of non-resident hunters.

 

[MallardSX2]

Your sense of self-worth and entitlement is humorous. What will we do without your 3 tanks of gas, two meals, and that pair of socks you needed in our sales tax coffers?

While hunting as a whole does bring valuable dollars to western states, the idea of "bow to me, the almighty $700-tag buying NR" as if you personally are bringing all the money into the state is laughable when compared to the amount a full-time resident of the state will pay through the course of a year, or even the amount a family of 4 will pay over the course of a 5 day ski trip.

Your posts have shown that you're the fair-weather fan of the 'hunting is conservation' world. The mentality of "If I can't get my tag, then f***-em" shows that you're fully in this for yourself, and not much else. I'd probably put some thought into that before I came back out west, lest you give residents a bad impression of non-resident hunters.

You folks (as residents) speak for how poorly residents have been treated in the past.

I (as a non-resident) am speaking for how poorly NR's are being treated going into the future. (Even though our NR dollars have brought the CPW to what it has become today)

Its literally that simple.

 

[fngTony]

You folks (as residents) speak for how poorly residents have been treated in the past.

I (as a non-resident) am speaking for how poorly NR's are being treated going into the future. (Even though our NR dollars have brought the CPW to what it has become today)

Its literally that simple.

Your attitude in this thread is poor and dragging down others. Take a break and come back constructive.

 

[realunlucky]

The mentality of "If I can't get my tag, then f***-em" .

This seems to be the mentality of the out spoken residents posting on this thread.

Coloradoan only by the grace of God!!

I do see a little of both sides

- l live here and there for entitled to be first in line

- I've played by the rules only to have them change and basically nullify my monetary and time investment.

The hunting world landscape is rapidly changing and definitely going to get much worse for the diy non-residents.


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[Gerbdog]

I have mixed feelings on this - and my only and one big concern for the future of hunting is that i dont want to see hunting slide into the sport enjoyed by only the wealthy and the landowners... wouldnt be a lot better then living in ancient Europe that our ancestors fled where the animals belong to the king.
Some states are already experiencing this because all of the public land that could have been is all gone, sold to the highest bidder and will stay in the family or go to the highest bidder (unless i win the lottery i dont think ill be a highest bidder anytime soon).

As such, i mostly have feelings (strong) on keeping public land public. The rest of these rule changes are just part of the game. Things change and morph over time and you gotta adapt. The wisdom of my step-father when i said i'd like to start looking to get a piece of land was: "i'd buy something you can fish on, the hunting rules are bound to change to a point where you wont be hunting it". Smart man. I dont have any land thanks to the recent prices going through the roof but i digress.....

That said: i do support a system where residents are a priority towards tag allotment and then non-residents... however and whatever shape that takes. I believe Non-residents should have the chance to come and hunt but to expect the same benefits as a resident, well .... well i just dont expect to be able to go to another state without being put at the back of the line when it comes to hunting.

For perspective... i grew up in new mexico .... and you bet your butt i miss resident draw odds in NM for elk.... but i understand why it exists... and i understand i may never draw another elk tag in NM with non-resident odds.... i accept that though... i dont live there and i dont pay taxes there and therefore i dont get the resident treatment.

 

[sndmn11]

Coloradoan only by the grace of God!!



- l live here and there for entitled to be first in line

- I've played by the rules only to have them change and basically nullify my monetary and time investment.

I see it more as residents of the few states who are cutting back on non-resident privileges (CO, WY) are getting annoyed when non-residents complain.

I personally think that it is cool that someone from Alabama can hunt in the state that I was born and live in. Come on out.

What becomes trite is when people ignore that their state of residency has different rules for non-resident hunters, but their expressions only seem negative to CO/WY. I cannot hunt elk in ND, NE, and KS...probably some other places. That doesn't meant that I should wage war on those states. I've handed over more money to UT trying for those WHCE raffles than I have spent on any one species in CO, I surely am not going to launch a crusade to the west anytime soon.

I get doubly annoyed when folks bring up paying for public land or supporting conservation. So? We all do that, every single one of us, even people who don't hunt. Heck, illegal immigrants who are working on fake papers and scared to file for a tax return are doing that too.

Colorado has been, still is, and likely will always be the most generous to non-resident elk hunters of all the states. People need to understand that Colorado's wildlife is not an infinite commodity, and there is a rapidly growing demand to hunt it. I am happy to see that the powers to be in Colorado have taken a small step to reward residents for that designation. I also believe that residents take significantly better care for the land and the animals than non-residents, but that's a whole different topic.

Each state has reasons to live there and reasons to not. I love hunting pronghorn, but choose not to live in WY because I like being by my family. My choice doesn't mean that residents in WY should see ill-will or are viewed poorly because they are prioritized for pronghorn tags. It just means that I have to wait my turn just like everyone else, and can enjoy my home state in the meantime. Every state discriminates against non-resident hunters, and I am amazed at how sour and spiteful people get over that.

 

[cnelk]

Gotta remember that deer and elk license sales arent the only source of income for the CPW.

Fishing licenses alone bring in quite a lot to the coffers

 

[Scoot]

Its literally that simple.

I'm a NR and am getting pretty hosed by the changes CO is putting in place. Such is life- I'm not a R of the state, so I have to live by the changes they make (even if I think they suck). If you're a NR and think you should be able to dictate, or even meaningfully influence, how another state allocates its tags to Rs and NRs, you don't get it. It's literally that simple.

The trends today lean towards states taking better care of their residents and also kissing the asses of the outfitters. As fewer non-residents get licenses, outfitters will get pinched more, and they will continue to get under the table deals that even further screw over DIY guys (look at MT and NM). The whole thing sucks, but it's how it is...

 

[dirtytough]

I’ve said it a bunch of times but for 1 min all the NR need to put themselves in a Res shoes. Imagine you couldn’t hunt deer in your home state because guys from across the country were going to come hunt every year.

So we are pretending now? Or are you talking about a different state like Utah or Nevada?

Would you sit back and take it? Or would you fight to be able to hunt deer in your state every year?

I agree though. Fight for what you want in life. Whether it's more tags, longer seasons, more restriction's, etc. But don't expect the group that is losing something to be happy about it or not fight back. Also after you take something away from a certain group don't expect that group to help you out when there are issue's like wolves, bike trail's, cat hunting on the ballot, etc.

Again fight for what you want, just don't be surprised when down the road you don't have any backup.

Come on be honest it’s not that tough.

Are you being honest? Saying residents can't get a deer tag doesn't seem very honest to me.

 

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