CPW is now virtue signaling

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If you let your dog chase elk or deer or goats or sheep, I can only imagine how wonderful your free range children must be.
If you can't control either, if you can't make them heal, YOU are the problem. No, it is not a natural "thing". Yup, slipped in the kiddies because apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Bad dogs, bad kids come from bad owners. A leash is not a substitute for manners and common sense, dogs or kids and I have both.
 
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my guess is that won’t be too far off in the future here in CO.

Hope not, but wouldn't surprise me. Plenty of places to take your dogs off leash and not be a factor for other people. Just takes a little planning.
 

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If you let your dog chase elk or deer or goats or sheep, I can only imagine how wonderful your free range children must be.
If you can't control either, if you can't make them heal, YOU are the problem. No, it is not a natural "thing". Yup, slipped in the kiddies because apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Bad dogs, bad kids come from bad owners. A leash is not a substitute for manners and common sense, dogs or kids and I have both.

I would hope your kids are smarter and better behaved than your dogs.
 
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My Vizslas specialty was fawns and rodents.
He caught at least 5 fawns around my house, and 1000’s of mice/voles/pack rats.
Tried killing a porcupine once, but didn’t win that battle.

He would heel perfectly, until he didn’t .

If my one dog( rip buddy) had that much prey drive, multiple that 10000x and you’ve got a clearer picture of what’s actually happening out there.
 
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It's virtue signaling by implying that, even in areas with no leash law, if you let your dog off leash, you are natures worst enemy. That's total lib BS right there.

If they meant this to mean areas where leash laws are in place for a specific reason, to protect a certain animal, plant, etc, then I agree, but that needed clarification.

There are literally thousands of things more damaging to wildlife than a dog.

Dogs are man's best friend but not wildlife's best friend.

It really does come down to being responsible and your dog running amuck isn't my idea of you being responsible.
If you can't follow the leash laws, then don't go hiking. Simple as that.
 
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It's too bad that you don't understand the "if I had a nickle" comment is not to be taken at face value.

I'll stand by a 10:1 ratio of bad to good off leash dogs though.

As worked up as this issue has you, I'd put money on your dog being in the former group.

Yeaj, look at these crazy, out of control dogs...chasing wildlife and assaulting grumpy old men
Dogs are man's best friend but not wildlife's best friend.

It really does come down to being responsible and your dog running amuck isn't my idea of you being responsible.
If you can't follow the leash laws, then don't go hiking. Simple as that.

Reading comprehension not your strong suit?

I stated multiple times, if a leash law is posted, I respect it. If it's not, however, my dogs will and do run free, it is not the government's place to push its half-assed, eco friendly BS on me.
 

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Interesting "statistics". 90% plus of the problem dogs that I have seen have been large aggressive dogs actually on leash lunging at hikers and other dogs alike on the trail, with an owner who can barely control them, even with the leash.

For those who don't have the will or spend the time to train their dogs, or who think electric collars are cruel, perhaps their dogs should never be off leash?

Meanwhile, I plan on keeping my dog off leash running right ahead of me, where deer barely move off the trail as we go by, no differently than the moose and moose calves that have lived in my yard in the winter through early summer when the wolves first arrived in the foothills.

Maybe people with dogs who aren't under control should be ticketed instead, regardless of leash status?
 

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Yeaj, look at these crazy, out of control dogs...chasing wildlife and assaulting grumpy old men


Reading comprehension not your strong suit?

I stated multiple times, if a leash law is posted, I respect it. If it's not, however, my dogs will and do run free, it is not the government's place to push its half-assed, eco friendly BS on me.

Not so grumpy this evening. Just chilling and getting ready to make some trout for dinner.

I was just stirring the pot and not reading the whole thing. Got nothing against you or your dog, I'm sure he/she is well behaved.

My folks have an english setter (15 yrs old now) and she's on a rope most of the time except when we are "out back" - dog won't wander off and keeps a good eye on us (follows us around cause she can't hear). She does wear her leash when we walk her or when neighbors are about.

Then I compare her to the dogs we see following the same route they get walked on daily and it's funny that those got loose and went for a walk themselves. I see them as pretty much well behaved with an owner who is freaking out. Those little buggers will walk the exact route and usually stay out of the way of cars, which shows some smarts.

The govmnt regulates cause people complain. Once someone complains, the govmnt has to regulate, that's how it works. I deal with a local WMA owned by USFWS and any time anyone complains, they change the whole regulatory framework. It's pathetic.

Someone probably got bit or documented a dog chasing a deer, likely a pug.
 

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I mountain bike waterton canyon and the single track behind it, one of the nicest things are no dogs. They don’t allow because of the impact on windlife, specifically the big horn. It is one of the trips we leave our lab behind on.
 
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My guess is with the recent studies of non-hunting recreation’s impact to elk herds, they feel it’s a factor. I don’t understand how you think it’s virtue signaling. If you obey the leash laws with your dogs then move on, no need to bash them for basically doing a PSA on something that is relevant to the health of our elk herds. I’ll tell you anywhere I’ve ever seen a popular trailhead into Wilderness with posted leash signs, I’ve ran across hikers with their dogs running off leash. I’d guess with the hordes of urban/suburban hikers venturing into CO Wilderness areas, it’s a significant problem.


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Agree with this 100%. Said perfectly
 

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Off leash/untrained/aggressive dogs on public lands are actually a huge nuisance to me so I'm not sure I see this the same way.

Thank you to the people who have well behaved, non-aggressive dogs that heel well to voice command and know not to chase anything that runs from it.

I've been bitten by someone's dog that was so far ahead of their owner on the trail that they never witnessed it, leading me to a confrontation with the owner that denies their dog has ever or would ever bite someone. My own well behaved black lab has been viciously mauled in neutral encounters with other dogs on public land.

Untrained dogs chase critters, bite people and other dogs, etc. Its just what they do unless they are trained not to. We need better dog owners, period. I guess I don't see why their IG post fired you up so much. Haven't been bitten yet I guess?
Nailed it.
 
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