Covid got me good

[Sam Colt]

I mean... did you really read that meme and think "gotcha!!"? Have we abandoned the most rudimentary levels of critical thinking?

Did you really look at that meme and think I'm that simple? Can you not realize that watching someone rant ad nauseum with arms flailing and spittle flying (unless wearing a mask, of course) provides a perfect opportunity for light-hearted sarcasm? Humor, even in the face of tragedy, can be theraputic.

Sources:

The purpose and function of humour in health, health care and nursing: a narrative review.
McCreaddie M, Wiggins S. J Adv Nurs. 2008 Mar;61(6):584-95. doi: 10.1111/j.1365-2648.2007.04548.x. PMID: 18302600 Review.

Humor's healing potential.
Seaward BL. Health Prog. 1992 Apr;73(3):66-70. PMID: 10116744

https://www.va.gov/WHOLEHEALTHLIBRARY/docs/Healing-Benefits-of-Humor-Laughter.pdf

 

[Rick M.]

Did you really look at that meme and think I'm that simple? Can you not realize that watching someone rant ad nauseum with arms flailing and spittle flying (unless wearing a mask, of course) provides a perfect opportunity for light-hearted sarcasm? Humor, even in the face of tragedy, can be theraputic.

Sources:

The purpose and function of humour in health, health care and nursing: a narrative review.
McCreaddie M, Wiggins S. J Adv Nurs. 2008 Mar;61(6):584-95. doi: 10.1111/j.1365-2648.2007.04548.x. PMID: 18302600 Review.

Humor's healing potential.
Seaward BL. Health Prog. 1992 Apr;73(3):66-70. PMID: 10116744

https://www.va.gov/WHOLEHEALTHLIBRARY/docs/Healing-Benefits-of-Humor-Laughter.pdf

I mean... you posted the meme as if it were some "gotcha" after a previous post full of logical fallacies attempting (and failing) in a roundabout way to argue that the vaccine is unsafe.

You can backpedal to it all being "just a prank" though if that makes you sleep better tonight.

Those dumb a** memes are getting people killed, there's nothing funny about it. Folks that are older, easily impressionable, or otherwise mentally disadvantaged will see memes like that and be influenced by them. Scroll past a couple hundred a day on Facebook and suddenly you wake up anti-vax and terrified of science.

Edit - thank you for posting sources. It's a wonderful break from the norm. How do I know they aren't lying to me about humor and happiness, though, if the research isn't conducted by my approved list of biased sources? /s

 

[MattB]

Out of curiosity, I dug up the recent JAMA study, which very clearly DOES NOT SUPORT THE USE OF IVERMECTIN FOR PATIENTS WITH COVID-19 yet we have people claiming the opposite. People who have probably never read a word of the study as they did not provide any reference other than journal and topic. The DOI for anyone interested in reading the recent study on ivermectin published in JAMA https://doi.org/10.1001/jamainternmed.2022.0189

The thing I find so funny about people on the Ivermectin train is that another, even cheaper drug, dexamethasone, is widely used to treat COVID. The difference is that there is broad-based statistical evidence demonstrating its effectiveness unlike Ivermectin, where one has to cherry pick studies with very small sample sizes to claim effectiveness. If the conspiracy theory that the industry is pushing people toward highly profitable vaccines and away from cheap therapeutics held, wouldn't there likewise be the same sort of exclusion of dexamethasone in the treatment regiment? And yet there is not.

Or maybe it is just that one cheap drug works well for treating COVID and the other doesn't?

 

[Rick M.]

The thing I find so funny about people on the Ivermectin train is that another, even cheaper drug, dexamethasone, is widely used to treat COVID. The difference is that there is broad-based statistical evidence demonstrating its effectiveness unlike Ivermectin, where one has to cherry pick studies with very small sample sizes to claim effectiveness. If the conspiracy theory that the industry is pushing people toward highly profitable vaccines and away from cheap therapeutics held, wouldn't there likewise be the same sort of exclusion of dexamethasone in the treatment regiment? And yet there is not.

Or maybe it is just that one cheap drug works well for treating COVID and the other doesn't?

Same thing with Paxlovid, although it is relatively new on the market. It's been shown to reduce hospitalization rates by up to 88%, compared to the placebo-level, non-existent efficacies of Ivermectin. But noooo, that's from Pfizer, and therefore "can't be trusted" (from the same folks who likely pop Viagra like PEZ).

Hell, most people taking Ivermectin don't even know if they're taking the veterinary form. My sister's church group was packaging them up in "Covid care kits" along with vitamins and supplements because so many members were catching Covid. She couldn't even tell me which form of Ivermectin it was, it was just in a baggie full of pills. Ridiculous.

 

[PMcGee]

It absolutely is true for the original COVID strain on which the clinincal trials were performed.

What is untrue is the notion that there is just "COVID". The virus mutated significantly a number of times and some of the variants diminished the effectiveness of the vaccines in terms of both their primary endpoint (decrease the incidence of severe disease and death), but also the degree of immunity they conferred against becoming infected with the original strain and Alpha variant. Despite that, the vaccines continued to be highly effective in acheiving their stated purpose which was to reduce severe disease and death. Even under Omicron the unvaccinated were far more likely to become infected or die than the vaccinated.

Good News: Full Vaccination Protects Against Omicron Hospitalization And Death

Three doses provide some protection from infection, but that protection wanes over four to six months to a very low level. The good news is that two or three doses of currently-available vaccines provide excellent protection against severe disease leading to hospitalization or death.

www.forbes.com

The vaccine was originally pushed to stop people from contracting Covid not to decrease severe illness or death. Only after it’s ineffectiveness did the severe illness and death push come on. I get the virus mutates so does everyone else. What if the vaccine has zero effect on the next strain are we still supposed to keep up on our boosters?


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[MattB]

The vaccine was originally pushed to stop people from contracting Covid not to decrease severe illness or death. Only after it’s ineffectiveness did the severe illness and death push come on. I get the virus mutates so does everyone else. What if the vaccine has zero effect on the next strain are we still supposed to keep up on our boosters?


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Re-reading the FDA document, I stand partially corrected as there were 2 primary endpoints: one related to contracting the disease and one related to preventing severe disease. I had initially mis-read that.

Regardless, even with Omicron the vaccines continue to provide significant benefits in terms of preventing hospitalization and death. While not as effective as they were, they are still doing a very good job at lessening the impact to individuals and to our healthcare system. It would be equally as foolish to push ineffective vaccines as it is to suggest that people should not be vaccinated because they do not prevent contracting COVID.

 

[KitsapDan]

I have put it up, the onus is on you to read and comprehend it. I can't help you in that department. If you bothered to look at any of them, you would have found all the data you need to reverse your stance regarding the vaccine. Would you like additional data? At this point, I have a feeling I could bring down Jesus himself to show you the data, and you'd still weasel out of acknowledging its existence.
Here

I've backed literally everything I've said, and I'm not engaging with you further. Everything you have claimed is false, all of your data sources are biased at a minimum, and most are downright laughable. Like I said, feel free to be anti-vax, anti-science, anti-logic, or anti-whatever-makes-you-feel-cool, but stop spreading disinformation. I'm convinced that you are a troll, and I will no longer respond to you. Anything you need is on page 5.

Best of luck "escaping 1984", by the way!

You’re definition of “safe & effective” appears to be whatever the alphabet agencies tell you. How sweet!

My definition is “how many people are dying or injured as a result of the vax”. That is, after all, the only logical way to consider if something is safe.

With that in mind, I give you this:

VAERs Reports: Death & Injuries From Dec 14, 2020-Feb 13, 2022

Despite VAERs Statistics: Narrative That Covid Vaccines Are Safe & Effective Continues

miriambelknap.substack.com

(See attached photo)

As it’s already known VAERS numbers are significantly under-reported, what does this really mean?

Beyond the numbers, we have ZERO long term efficacy whatsoever. A year is not “long term”. How many may be sterile as a result? Will we have a future thalidomide-style episode? Are we looking at greater cardiac issues? Greater cancer issues?

Nobody knows. Not you, not the CDC.

All we have to work with is the numbers in the table below and the understanding that they represent a small fraction of the true numbers. Along with the life insurer data I previously mentioned.

Now if you and yours are lucky enough not to be maimed or killed by the vax, good for you (so far). Let’s hope you have no undetected lasting damage.

For all the people in that table below, “sucks to be them, right?”

BTW my buddy Tommy just did a great podcast with a couple of “statisticians”. You should listen and learn something…

TPC #723: Dr. Jessica Rose & Matthew Crawford (VAERS, World Economic Forum, Quantum A.I.)

Tommy's PodCast · Episode

open.spotify.com

 

[KitsapDan]

Same thing with Paxlovid, although it is relatively new on the market. It's been shown to reduce hospitalization rates by up to 88%, compared to the placebo-level, non-existent efficacies of Ivermectin. But noooo, that's from Pfizer, and therefore "can't be trusted" (from the same folks who likely pop Viagra like PEZ).

Hell, most people taking Ivermectin don't even know if they're taking the veterinary form. My sister's church group was packaging them up in "Covid care kits" along with vitamins and supplements because so many members were catching Covid. She couldn't even tell me which form of Ivermectin it was, it was just in a baggie full of pills. Ridiculous.

I’ll answer the ivermectin “obsession”. Quite simply, it’s one of the easiest of the ‘rona drugs to obtain. Every Tractor Supply stocks it. And early on, it was the only effective drug you could then buy without a script. Efficacy is ~66% based across all studies.

The best treatment is a “Covid cocktail” of multiple drugs.

As to using the animal version, I’ve personally done so, and would do so again. Friends have as well. Tastes like s#*%, but it’s the same product as the pill form (which I also have and keep for friends). People in farm country often use “animal meds”. Lots of meds can be used for both people and animals.

In an ideal world, the “authorities” would readily allow people to use these products. But then the EUA’s for the vax would, by law, void.

 

[Rick M.]

Efficacy is ~66% based across all studies.

False

The best treatment is a “Covid cocktail” of multiple drugs.

Wrong. However, if one wants to be reactive rather than proactive, then there are antivirals available that greatly reduce hospitalization and death rates. Paxlovid is the most widely available. Here are the results of their phase 2 study. These antivirals greatly outperform monoclonal antibodies, although both need to be started very early in the game in order to be effective.

It's always "best" to start with prevention. Being vaccinated + boosted already increases one's chances of survival many times over vs. being unvaccinated. However, if you still catch covid you can also take Paxlovid to further reduce your risks. Also, why should one trust "Covid cocktails of multiple drugs", but not the vaccine - which is essentially the same thing? Curious.

As to using the animal version, I’ve personally done so, and would do so again. Friends have as well.

Don't


By the way, I'm not engaging in a dialogue with you, Dan. I'm simply posting data that counters your misinformation for future readers.

 

[Idaho Brad]

NIB HIGH FOOTBALL RULES!

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[MJB]

If it's so safe and effective why did Pfizer have to be sued to release the studies.

The first drop doesn't look good

Pfizer's Documents - Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency

Documents with a large file size are provided in a .zip file and will need to be uncompressed after download.

phmpt.org

 

[TheGDog]

Everyone should. Too many people come to this realization once it's too late. Good people are dying due to disinformation and bravado. Better to play it safe and listen to the experts rather than gamble one's life based on memes, politics, and talking heads (who are themselves vaccinated yet advocating against it). My entire family in the south is going through this right now, and I could only get through to one of them. It's really sad.

I hope you pull through, Opah.

Negative... I can tell you that I sat and watched my wife and kid go thru it... and for them.. it was just a strong cold / strong Flu experience. Certainly it sucked and no one would want to go thru it.

...BUT...

There was a country-mile of difference between it's affect on them vs. the unholy hell of up-against-the-ropes effect it had upon me. BUT... there's clearly observable reasons in my history as to why that is. Grew up with both parents smoking in the home. Grew up in an area of sh!tty air quality.. then... grew up near 2 major oil refineries. 1 within 1 mile, the other within like 3mi of that location. Also commuted on Moto many years along the infamous 405 Fwy. And I can tell you from experience creeping in between HOV lane and the rest of the fwy.... in hot summer traffic... you felt that isht in your chest when you arrived at your destination. THAT.... is why it was HARSH as fizzuck on me!


Also something else to consider/ponder... if these new vaccines are somehow based upon them constructing their own mRNA to be injected into people? Shiiiiiiiid.... you gotta be crazy as fizzuck if you think I'm taken man-made Messenger freakin' RNA up into my system! Are you kidding me? They get one little tiny thing wrong in the sequencing they piece together, and who the hell knows what kind of offshoot effects that could do to you! Would NOT surprise me if that's where all the myocarditis and pericarditis is coming from.

Also.. since the govt removed the normal "red-tape"... they removed the liability from the manufacturers. You were in essence nothing more than a test-subject. Now... I believe they *may* have since gone back and given an "approved" status for several manufacturers products. And that's... better. But NOTHING replaces a standard controlled study-group + peer-review, that can happen during a time of non-emergency where there is NOT the political and business-model PRESSURE to "get this to market" in order to capitalize on the extremely time-sensitive nature of this event.

FYI - I had almost this same level and strength of reaction in my body back in '97 when it's ancestor... SARS... first came into the scene. Foolishly, that event made me believe I needed to be first in line for my "Flu shot" every year after that, like clockwork, fearing going thru another event like that. But alas, as we've all learned, they are NOT one and the same.

 

[Marbles]

Edited to remove all but the below paragraph.

And yes, this means I violated being "out" and did not hold to my word. I am limiting further comment (in this post and any future ones on this thread if I prove too weak to abstain) due to that prior statement. My only defense is that I lost my marbles long ago (hence my handle).

 

[Rick M.]

If it's so safe and effective why did Pfizer have to be sued to release the studies.

The first drop doesn't look good

Pfizer's Documents - Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency

Documents with a large file size are provided in a .zip file and will need to be uncompressed after download.

phmpt.org

First off, it was the FDA that had to be sued, not Pfizer. Researchers, physicians, and scientists wanted rapid access to the data so that they could review it and reassure people that the vaccine was safe and effective and expedite FDA approval, given the unfortunate circumstances of being in a pandemic. The FDA was dragging its feet to prolong the process, and requested a laughable 55 years to do so. It was a stunt to keep people with one last excuse for not getting the vaccine ("bUt iT'S NOT FdA AppRoVEd"). Pfizer wanted more time for the data to be released for reasons of protecting trade secrets. The suggestion that Pfizer was attempting to hide safety data is unfounded and ridiculous.

You can reduce yourself to whataboutism until you're blue in the face. It doesn't change the data that we currently have access to right now. It's just another, "oh hey look over there" tactic for when one has nothing of value to add or has run out of logical runway.

 

[KitsapDan]

False

Wrong. However, if one wants to be reactive rather than proactive, then there are antivirals available that greatly reduce hospitalization and death rates. Paxlovid is the most widely available. Here are the results of their phase 2 study. These antivirals greatly outperform monoclonal antibodies, although both need to be started very early in the game in order to be effective.

It's always "best" to start with prevention. Being vaccinated + boosted already increases one's chances of survival many times over vs. being unvaccinated. However, if you still catch covid you can also take Paxlovid to further reduce your risks. Also, why should one trust "Covid cocktails of multiple drugs", but not the vaccine - which is essentially the same thing? Curious.


Don't


By the way, I'm not engaging in a dialogue with you, Dan. I'm simply posting data that counters your misinformation for future readers.

Funny how you…

1) ignore every other ivermectin trial except the one that fits your personal bias.

Except…. You should let others more qualified explain to you what you’re reading past the summary…

New JAMA paper show Ivermectin blows the COVID vaccines out of the water

Whoops! How embarrassing! The CDC gave you bad advice. If you want to survive COVID, you should use the drug they said to avoid, and avoid the drug they said to use.

stevekirsch.substack.com

2) the FDA simply CANNOT approve ivermectin, or ANY other drug for the ‘rona as once they do so, the issued EUA’s to the drug manufacturers immediately expire. No more jabs. The FDA is a wholly captured agency. I highly suggest you read Robert Kennedy’s book “The Real Anthony Fauci” to understand how broken that institution is. Hell the “Food Pyramid” alone should tell you as much.

Beyond that, you should put your Google Foo skills to work and search how many people have actually died of ivermectin—ever. I can tell you the vax has killed many thousands of times as many as ivermectin.

3) finally, speaking of death, you conveniently ignore the VAERS data and all those maimed & killed by the vax.

Sucks to be them, huh?

Now, I personally don’t care what you choose to inject in YOUR body. You want to play Russian Roulette with new tech if unknown long term efficacy & safety—go for it!

However I DO care when poorly informed people such as yourself sing the praises of which you know nothing, and may convince others to maim or lull themselves as a result.

“Informed consent” has been highly absent from this entire sordid episode. There are nine pages of adverse events associated with the vax. That is clearly NOT “safe & effective”, champ.

Frankly, I’d be embarrassed to be you, slinging BS propaganda as facts and having a guy like me shoot you down every time.

But hey, I’m happy to do this all day. I’ve spent two years following this quite intensely. You and your propaganda are going to lose on every post.

 

[KitsapDan]

Edited to remove all but the below paragraph.

And yes, this means I violated being "out" and did not hold to my word. I am limiting further comment (in this post and any future ones on this thread if I prove too weak to abstain) due to that prior statement. My only defense is that I lost my marbles long ago (hence my handle).

We’ll look who rolled back in…

 

[Rick M.]

Negative... I can tell you that I sat and watched my wife and kid go thru it... and for them.. it was just a strong cold / strong Flu experience. Certainly it sucked and no one would want to go thru it.

"Negative" to what, exactly? Your wife and kids yadda yadda yadda just a flu yadda yadda yadda. Again, these are personal anecdotes, and they do not supercede data and scientific research. They also aren't supported by the data. Covid-19 mortality rates are much, much higher than the flu. That whole just the flu narrative has also been beaten well beyond a pulse, and simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Proof

There was a country-mile of difference between it's affect on them vs. the unholy hell of up-against-the-ropes effect it had upon me. BUT... there's clearly observable reasons in my history as to why that is. Grew up with both parents smoking in the home. Grew up in an area of sh!tty air quality.. then... grew up near 2 major oil refineries. 1 within 1 mile, the other within like 3mi of that location. Also commuted on Moto many years along the infamous 405 Fwy. And I can tell you from experience creeping in between HOV lane and the rest of the fwy.... in hot summer traffic... you felt that isht in your chest when you arrived at your destination. THAT.... is why it was HARSH as fizzuck on me!

Nope. The air quality where you grew up has nothing to do with how hard Covid hit you. Sorry. It's a dangerous virus, and some people deal with it well, others die within days. I don't get how people are just so blase about risking the lives of their entire family to find out the hard way. You almost died, for goodness sake.

Also something else to consider/ponder... if these new vaccines are somehow based upon them constructing their own mRNA to be injected into people? Shiiiiiiiid.... you gotta be crazy as fizzuck if you think I'm taken man-made Messenger freakin' RNA up into my system! Are you kidding me? They get one little tiny thing wrong in the sequencing they piece together, and who the hell knows what kind of offshoot effects that could do to you! Would NOT surprise me if that's where all the myocarditis and pericarditis is coming from.

Sweet cookie of Christ... I don't even know where to begin with this mess. You are severely misinformed about how mRNA vaccines work, my dude. Please educate yourself so that you can stop spreading misinformation. These two are good starting points:
Johns Hopkins University
Mayo Clinic
CDC
Australian Department of Health (this one hits on your RNA fears)

Also.. since the govt removed the normal "red-tape"... they removed the liability from the manufacturers. You were in essence nothing more than a test-subject. Now... I believe they *may* have since gone back and given an "approved" status for several manufacturers products. And that's... better. But NOTHING replaces a standard controlled study-group + peer-review, that can happen during a time of non-emergency where there is NOT the political and business-model PRESSURE to "get this to market" in order to capitalize on the extremely time-sensitive nature of this event.

Yes, the government loosened normal restrictions because, you guessed it, we were in the middle of a deadly pandemic and were scrambling for a vaccine. It's amazing that we even have such a safe and effective vaccine in such a short period of time. We should be praising our scientists for such a miracle.

Foolishly, that event made me believe I needed to be first in line for my "Flu shot" every year after that, like clockwork, fearing going thru another event like that.

How is this foolish? You did the right thing.

You and your family have already survived Covid, which is awesome. But try to be well-informed before taking such a hard stance, especially if you have elderly or more sensitive groups around you. The vaccine is saving lives, and misinformation is costing them. All the best to you and your family.

 

[Hoodie]

If there's anything this pandemic has driven home for me, it's that it's really dumb that algebra is a high school requirement but statistics is not.

 

[mtnobsessed]

With all the overcrowding in mountains all I dream about is not running into one of these "critcal thinkers"! Holy hell! Of course they probably don't get too far with those blinders on...

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[Vandy321]

"Misinformation", my favorite word on the internet. Spoken by the same internet experts who have spent the past 2 years trying to discredit actual viralogists.

Gonna have to find something else to lecture your neighbors about, covid is over.